The All Powerfull?

Radagast · Mar 7, 2005

Electra said:
... powerfull, creator of everyhing we see, the heaven and the earth, people, trees, rivers...everything, could he create a stone, so huge and heavy, than he himself wouldn't be able to move it?

This is an oldy.

The answer is that you can't make a meaningless phrase meaningful by putting "can God" in front. By the same token God can't make 2+2=5, but that isn't a limitation on Him.

-- Radagast

Novaknight1 · Mar 8, 2005

Electra said:
Hello, all. Here is a question for Christians, i appologize if this has been asked, nothing showed up on the search.

If God is all mighty and all powerfull, creator of everyhing we see, the heaven and the earth, people, trees, rivers...everything, could he create a stone, so huge and heavy, than he himself wouldn't be able to move it?

If there is nothing God cannot do - then surely he can create such stone, yet if he does and he cannot move it, then wouldn't that suggest that he isn't all powerfull afterall?

If such thing/event is impossible for him to do, then he himself has limitations, no?

This is a philosophical question and I am really interested as to how Christians would look at this and answer.

Thank you in advance

note - i refered to God as ''him'' because its how the The Bible refers to God.

Good question. Let me ask YOU a question: Is a line longer than a ray? A line goes forever in both directions. A ray goes forever in one direction. Is the line longer? God's strength is symbolized by the line and the boulder is the ray.

Faith In God · Mar 8, 2005

LegomasterJC said:
Done creating? Where did He say that? Scriptures please.

Genesis. The word for 'finished' meant something that was utterly done and never again meant to occur. First law of thermodynamics. It's as true as saying that the universe is wearing out (prophets talking about the heavens 'passing away' in various places) which is law # 2. Can God create still? Of course, but His word says that He is done creating.
Can He? Yes. Will He? No, because He said He's done.

Electra · Mar 8, 2005

butxifxnot said:
Good to see you. There is an inherent problem with this test as it is testing ability in inability. Can God create a stone? Yes. Can God create a stone of any size? Yes. Can God not-do anything? No. Here is one thing which God cannot do: not-do a [edit]physical[/edit]thing. Then you must remember that this thing you ask about God He will not do. Why? Because He said that He is done creating. There are other things that God cannot do according to His own word: "God cannot lie". Since God is the definition of good, God cannot do 'bad' as 'bad' is what He defines it to be and He is not bad, but good. Instead of coming up with mind games that are no doubt fun to come up with and strain with in thought, take some time to think about God's attributes and what He will judge humanity by. Eternity is more important than mind games.

You know, I would LOVE to take the credit for coming up with this question, but i cant, since I didnt come up with it, I only posed it here.

Also, I fail to understand the notion of your ''he has stoped creating'' (another in the line of many contradictions in the bible, but thats another thread alltoghether) so anything that happens from whatever point is not actually God's creation because he stopped creating?
So anyone that is born is not actually God's creation, because he has stopped creating (while back as i understand). Any trees that grow after he has stopped creating are not his creation as he has - as you claim - stop creating?

Radagast, what makes you think that 2+2 doesnt equal five? The numbers are simple observation passed on as facts.
The question posted was made with the GOD in front of it in the first place.

But since you seem to have all the answers I would like to ask you WHY 2+2 is 4? There, another philosophical question for you sprung up for you.

Note - ''because it just is'' is not a legitimate answer.

All input appreciated.

PS. I am trying to understand the frustration you are all feeling because someone questiones your religion - but theres no need for rudness. If you truly believe what you tell me, then im sure you can preah without an attitude. Thank you.

Faith In God · Mar 8, 2005

Electra said:
You know, I would LOVE to take the credit for coming up with this question, but i cant, since I didnt come up with it, I only posed it here.

I know. This isn't the first thread with this exact question as the OP. No biggie

Also, I fail to understand the notion of your ''he has stoped creating'' (another in the line of many contradictions in the bible, but thats another thread alltoghether)

It's not a contradiction. In fact, even man's science is in total agreement that nothing can be created out of nothing.

so anything that happens from whatever point is not actually God's creation because he stopped creating?
So anyone that is born is not actually God's creation, because he has stopped creating (while back as i understand). Any trees that grow after he has stopped creating are not his creation as he has - as you claim - stop creating?

You misunderstand the word 'creation'. To create means to bring into existance where there was nothing to bring it forth from. God has created all the matter and energy that exists, as the first law of thermodynamics states. To birth does not mean to create. Is a mother a creator? Of course not. She is just a mother. Her body did not create the baby; just supplied the materials to form the baby. God still forms things (ie clouds) but He does not create them, for they already 'are'. Is your conflict satisfied?

Radagast, what makes you think that 2+2 doesnt equal five? The numbers are simple observation passed on as facts.
The question posted was made with the GOD in front of it in the first place.

But since you seem to have all the answers I would like to ask you WHY 2+2 is 4? There, another philosophical question for you sprung up for you.

1 1

How many? 2

1 1 1 1
How many? 4

:. 2 2 is 4

WHY? Because 4 being shorthand for 1 1 1 1 makes organization possible and we like being organized.

syllogistic reasoning. Logic makes some sense, sometimes . If that answer is not satisfactory, then we really cannot answer it, as we would need to define "is" and what exactly this + means.

PS. I am trying to understand the frustration you are all feeling because someone questiones your religion - but theres no need for rudness. If you truly believe what you tell me, then im sure you can preah without an attitude. Thank you.

No frustration. It's all for discussion's sake.

food4thought · Mar 8, 2005

Infinity plus one = infinity

God's power is infinite. To say that something is greater than infinite is a logical contradiction, and yes, that DOES invalidate your question, because any logical answer I could give would be wrong, because your question is illogical. If you like; I could give you a completely illogical answer, and it would be just as wrong as any logical one.

My answer:
God is infinite.
God stands outside of our universe.
A rock is a creation inside that universe.
Creation is finite.
Therefore; turtles have different colored shells.

To say that I cannot answer your question does not in any way limit the infinite power of God, it simply demonstrates that you and I are not infinite in knowledge , and have to take some things on faith.

BTW: how would you answer this question?

Serapha · Mar 9, 2005

Electra said:
Hello, all. Here is a question for Christians, i appologize if this has been asked, nothing showed up on the search.

If God is all mighty and all powerfull, creator of everyhing we see, the heaven and the earth, people, trees, rivers...everything, could he create a stone, so huge and heavy, than he himself wouldn't be able to move it?

If there is nothing God cannot do - then surely he can create such stone, yet if he does and he cannot move it, then wouldn't that suggest that he isn't all powerfull afterall?

If such thing/event is impossible for him to do, then he himself has limitations, no?

This is a philosophical question and I am really interested as to how Christians would look at this and answer.

Thank you in advance

note - i refered to God as ''him'' because its how the The Bible refers to God.

Hi there!

The question that you need to be asking yourself is not "is it possible for God to make a rock so big...."

But the more important thing to understands is that God made the tree that would be used in the crucifixion of Christ. God made the iron for the nails that would pierce the hands and feet of the Savior. God made the spear that would pierce the heart of Jesus on that tree. God made the animal that would die for the leather in the cat-o-nine tails that would inbed glass and stone cuts in the body of the beaten and bruised Christ. God made the thorns that would be used in the crown that would shed the blood of Christ from the temple mount to Golgotha.

Does it matter how big a rock is... if God created it?

God is big enough.

~serapha~

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