The Age Of Adam!

Willtor said:

. You are advocating a new interpretation of Genesis because you heard a voice..

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new?
Adam living for 900 years is not a new interpretation

valuecard said:

Ramon, ive started looking at those links u gave me.
Rockytriton and ramon, i would also point you to something, which i feel is the most logical place to start when looking how old our earth is - and that is by looking at the age of our surrounds, sun, moon and planets and their moons within our solar system. This video by former nasa engineer about the findings of nasa's satelites have greatly contradicted what they expected to find based on old solar system theories and models

YouTube - Our Solar System: Evidence for Creation, Part 1 of 9

Thats just part 1, its a 9 part video that goes through nasa's findings about each planet and moon in our solar system, its both really interesting and really challenging to those who are fully persuased of the billions of years belief system.

Cheers

Phil

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I actually watched all those videos. A few things struck me:

1) His point is that either existing theory is correct or it is impossible and thus the universe must be young. That is illogical - there is always the possibility that we just don't understand enough yet but answers will be forthcoming.

2) He offered scant evidence of a young earth. What he's not telling you is that the evidence he offers that the universe isn't billions of years old STILL indicates a far older universe than YEC can accept - hundreds of thousands to millions of years old. The truth is, that timeframe would be a huge blow to science but still completely falsifies YEC science utterly.

3) He kept saying "this is what scientists aren't telling you", but punctuated every single fact with a public quote from a secular scientist. Just who is trying to mislead us here?

marktheblake said:

new?
Adam living for 900 years is not a new interpretation

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An historical 6-days of creation based on it _is_.

crawfish said:

3) He kept saying "this is what scientists aren't telling you", but punctuated every single fact with a public quote from a secular scientist. Just who is trying to mislead us here?

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That's the problem with videos like this. They lie, and they believe the ends justify the means. The problem is that the ends they are expecting are the not ends they get. They get people who take them as liars and believe nothing they say at all when they catch them in a lie. So in essence, guys like this are doing the work of Satan, not the work of God.

I just watched all 9 and have to say he simple did an awesome job...

visionary said:

I just watched all 9 and have to say he simple did an awesome job...

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As long as you don't put what he said up to any scrutiny it will continue to be so.

Would you like to spit out some of the bones of contention you see with his presentation.?

crawfish said:

3) He kept saying "this is what scientists aren't telling you", but punctuated every single fact with a public quote from a secular scientist. Just who is trying to mislead us here?

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Here's a related article:
Science and Religion: A View from an Evolutionary Creationist/Theistic Evolutionist: The GOP Conspiracy Problem

Not related... entire different issue worthy of another thread.

visionary said:

Not related... entire different issue worthy of another thread.

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Well, it is related to what crawfish said because it relates the mistrust fundamentalist Christians have for science to their propensity for believing in wild conspiracy theories such as that espoused by the "birthers".

Obama's birthcertificate is not ... and that is where the link lead to.. an article on that subject.

visionary said:

Would you like to spit out some of the bones of contention you see with his presentation.?

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Ok.

First is his contention that since some theories are found wrong or are currently unexplained, that it undermines the idea of cosmological evolution. That's like me telling you I drove from Dallas to Wichita and you tell me that would be impossible because 3 miles of I-35 is closed in Oklahoma City. Falsifying one small part of the path does not falsify the larger claim.

Second is the contention that the data he's throwing up somehow strengthens the idea of a young earth. Truth is, not a single bit of evidence he presented supports a young earth. Even for the alternatives he presents, he fails to mention that none of those alternatives support the idea of a universe that is 6-10,000 years old.


Listen, the talk is great for those who really don't want to think about the subject. Many Christians really don't want to understand the science or the implications, they just want some excuse to feel smug and secure. Personally, I think this type of argument is less than honest and fails to equip Christians on exactly how complex this topic is.

I'm all for admitting that science is far from having it all figured out. It has figured out enough, though, to make a young earth an impossibility. Either the universe is billions of years old, or it was created to appear that way - and, either way that turns out, the implication is that young-earth creationists are wrong and scientists are right.