The ‘real’ fake news

Tom 1 · Nov 13, 2018

if you can make the time to watch it, this short series of vids is well put together, and provides a fascinating overview of Soviet and current disinformation activities: Operation Infektion
Opinion | Operation Infektion

Hieronymus · Nov 13, 2018

Fake news according to fake news?

Tom 1 · Nov 13, 2018

Hieronymus said:
Fake news according to fake news?

Ok, let’s compare sources. The last lot of reporting you posted to support an argument demonstrated itself to be untrue, do you have anything that doesn’t? This could be a useful exercise in how to spot what it fake, and how to show that it is fake.

Jamsie · Nov 13, 2018

Tom Farebrother said:
if you can make the time to watch it, this short series of vids is well put together, and provides a fascinating overview of Soviet and current disinformation activities: Operation Infektion
Opinion | Operation Infektion

Tom Farebrother, thanks for the post, quite interesting...those who protest it the most are undoubtedly those most "infected".

Tom 1 · Nov 13, 2018

Jamsie said:
Tom Farebrother, thanks for the post, quite interesting...those who protest it the most are undoubtedly those most "infected".

It’s very clever stuff. I think culturally we’re still behind the times on how espionage is viewed - it’s easy to think of the KGB/FSB as a blunt weapon (like in the movies) but this kind of stuff is for the long game, and very well thought out, it seems. It’s interesting that countries like Latvia, who lived under the soviet umbrella so long, are a lot more wise to it, and a lot more effective in combating it.

Jamsie · Nov 13, 2018

Tom Farebrother said:
It’s very clever stuff. I think culturally we’re still behind the times on how espionage is viewed - it’s easy to think of the KGB/FSB as a blunt weapon (like in the movies) but this kind of stuff is for the long game, and very well thought out, it seems. It’s interesting that countries like Latvia, who lived under the soviet umbrella so long, are a lot more wise to it, and a lot more effective in combating it.

Of course at another level there is this: Language: A Key Mechanism of Control

redleghunter · Nov 13, 2018

What needs to be determined in these discussions is the difference between outright false fake news and what respected media outlets engage in is false narratives.

Even CNN reports factual data on the President. But it is what they leave out of the narrative which makes their news on him a false narrative. It’s not just CNN they all do it to some degree.

It’s called not letting all the facts get in the way of a good story. These are communications businesses catering to an audience and by extension sponsors.

Tom 1 · Nov 13, 2018

redleghunter said:
What needs to be determined in these discussions is the difference between outright false fake news and what respected media outlets engage in is false narratives.

Even CNN reports factual data on the President. But it is what they leave out of the narrative which makes their news on him a false narrative. It’s not just CNN they all do it to some degree.

It’s called not letting all the facts get in the way of a good story. These are communications businesses catering to an audience and by extension sponsors.

Yes, there is bias in the media. This particular series of vids is more about the spreading of actual false information, stories which are pure invention but which are carefully put together over time to make them seem convincing.

The Barbarian · Nov 13, 2018

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