Territorial Spirits?

Alive_Again · Feb 21, 2014

I don't think anyone is going to do a "house cleaning" of all of the principalities hovering over the earth in the second heaven.

I think when you ask or need certain things, that God works to bring you those things as you loose the kingdom by your walk, your words, your worship, your thanksgiving, your release of the anointing. It's been said that Daniel waited longer than might be necessary because he didn't have the weapons or the same covenant that we have.

Who thinks about what "part" or function of the enemy when they rise up? When you bind spirits, the ones that matter in your walk are the ones that are bound. I see it as the ones directing afflicting you. They have an army and they do go back and forth with instructions based on their successes and failures.

Rather than get hung up about dealing with ground forces or the highest powers, just call it the enemy or "foul spirits" or serpents and scorpions. The ones that try to usurp you are the ones it's going to apply to.

The power of Spirit led intercession has the ability to go far beyond what your natural mind might identify. I would not limit your sphere of influence in any way, because you never know what God might work through you. We'll see the replay in Heaven.

When someone says "territorial", some think of the highest forces of the enemy, but in the context I am referring to, I am speaking of those that set up camp in specific areas in the places we live.

Look at "red light" districts? Many of those (in older towns) are in the same exact places they have been. That's because they went unopposed for decades or centuries.

You have certain curses working over certain countries (look at the English and the Irish (or even the Scottish). Strongholds of hatred and bitterness still afflicting people today in the same places.

I have always thought it interesting that the Vatican is built on a hill where pagan worship used to take place. They're not exactly known for spiritual warfare, so it is very possible that the same type of influences from the pagan days influence the very doctrine that comes out of it now (howbeit unknowingly).

Places where slavery reigned, sites of hangings, etc., often have the same racial hatred working in the descendants of the people living there.

God has His strongholds on the earth too, and you can go through some very depressed neighborhoods (economically), and see old churches in them, and you can even feel the sense of the blessing that angelic encampments have (we didn't think of them in these terms until the revelation of that came forth).

You can drive through denominational church parking lots (which I have, to stop and pray) and "feel" the lack of real spirituality on the very grounds. You want to move on! Even though there is nothing visibly influencing you. They might even have nice green trees, but the "atmosphere" is completely lacking.

I'm sure you could go on with many examples each of you can relate to, to demonstrate this. So saying "territorial" in this context means what's established in the invisible realm in certain locations.

Is this the context of "territorial" that the OP inquired about?

Matjohluk · Feb 21, 2014

As we know that demons need a body to live in. We know that they roam around in the dry places seeking a new body if they hadnt already transferred into another body, human or animal. And to describe the finer points of demonology will remain unanswered until that day when we will see all these spiritual mysteries in the light of eternity and that is normally at death.

As we know that a man contained a Roman Legion (6,000 men). Now what is being referred to as territorial spirits are the ruling spirit of a group of spirits! The ruling spirit in this incident was legion. Once our Lord took command over legion all the demons began to ask our Lord for permission to enter the pigs. And no doubt, out of sympathy for the man, our Lord granted their request that had a short-term life as they catapulted into the Sea of Galilee.

This and all other supernatural encounters by our Lord and HIS disciples introduce a dimension of these different names of spirits. When people die, demons dont, and they leave their house and go to dry places (Luke 11:24-26), and they wander around seeking whom they can re-enter (1 Pet 5:8).

The ruling spirits have some form of authority over many spirits under their command as they spoke often to our Lord through the mouths of those people whom they were occupying. At Capernaum, a man stood up in the synagogue and shouted at our Lord as in the case of Luke 4:34, which is a classic case of a demon overstepping the mark and so exposing itself that it got itself expelled from host.

We find the ruling spirit in areas of disrepute, which is responsible for specific job functions of inciting particular forms of behaviour, for example spirits that encourage sexual abuse, homosexuality, pornography, violence, greed, etc. etc. When a person arrives in a new area they seem get demonic directions to encourage them in the pursuit of sin.

But, what many see as territorial spirits are in fact controlling spirits and they are normally given a supernatural name, such as Jezebel, Death and Hell and Antichrist.

So I can ask myself what point and I making about territorial spirits, well they are the ruling spirits of the church, and the area. The ruling spirits in my area will never be brought under control, because the churches are aiming too high, they need to get their own church set free and walking in Gods Word, Way and Will before they will begin to have success. There are many wayside, stony and thorny Christians in all churches who need their empty house to be filled, cleansed, purified, and in full submission to our Lord Jesus Christ before any ruling spirit can be taken on.

Many shudder at the thought of talking about the supernatural realm of the powers of darkness and they need to understand that it is prominent throughout the New Testament documents. Those Christians who believe that the powers of darkness cannot touch, and then they need to read the sheer volume of references to the world of evil supernaturalism, which is prominent in all areas of the world. Our Lord Jesus Christs Church is still at war against the Satan and his forces.

Here are some direct references in the New Testament to the supernatural realm of the powers of darkness:

Matthew: 4:1-11 & 24; 6:13; 7:22; 8:16,28-34; 9:32-35; 10:1,25; 11:18; 12:22-30, 43-45; 13:19,24,28,37,39; 15:21-28; 16:18-23; and 17:14-21.

Mark: 1: 12,13,21-28,32-34,39; 3:11-15, & 22-30; 4:15; 5:1-20; 6:7,13; 7:24-30; 8:33; 9:14-29,38-40; and 16:9,17.

Luke: 4:1-13,33-37,41; 6:18; 7:21,33; 8:2,12,26-39; 9:1,37-43,49-50; 10:1-20; 11:14-26; 13:10-17,32; and 22:3,31-32,53.

John: 6:70; 7:20; 8:44,48-52; 10:20-21: 12:31; 13:2,27; 14:30; 16:11; and 17:15.

Acts: 5:3,16; 8:7,9-11,18-24; 10:38; 11:6-12; 16:16-19; 19:12-20; and 26:18.

Romans: 8:15, 38-39; and 16:20.

1 Corinthians: 2:6-8; 5:5-7; 7:5; and 10:7-21.

2 Corinthians: 2:4-11; 4:4; 6:14-17; 11:3-4, 12-15; and 12:7-10.

Galatians: 1:6-8; 4:8, 9; and 5:19-21.

Ephesians: 1:21; 2:2; 3:10; 4:26, 27; and 6:10-20.

Colossians: 1:13-17; and 2:6-15, 20.

1st Thessalonians: 2:18; and 3:5.

2nd Thessalonians: 2:1-12; and 3:3.

1st Timothy: 1:20; 2:14; 3:6-7; 4:1-3; and 5:9-15.

2nd Timothy: 1:7; 2:14-26; and 3:1-17.

Hebrews: 2:14-18.

James: 2:19; 3:13-18; and 4:1-8a.

1st Peter: 3:22; and 5:8-11.

2nd Peter: 21-22.

1 John: 2:12-14, 18-23; 3:7-12; 4:1-6; and 5:18-21.

2 John: 1-13.

Revelation: 2:9-10,13,24; 3:9; 9:1-21; 11:7; 12:1-17; 13:1-18; 14:9-11; 15:2;
16:2, 13-16; 17:1-18; 18:1-24; 19:2, 20; 20:1-10; 21:8; and 22:15.

Jude: 1:6-9.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 21, 2014

Andrea411 said:
oopssounds more like New Age to me where did you get this one ? Do you think demons are just thought entities oh never mind...

Hmmm let's see . if it doesn't go away when you rebuke it . it's not a demon . quite often people avoid christians because the thoughts in their head get rebuked or attacked or exorcized .

sometimes Christians when they project their anger at me feel like demons but i can tell the difference as the source of the anger has a beating heart and a human body .

Matjohluk · Feb 21, 2014

Michael Collum said:
generally territorial spirits are really a bubble of consciousness formed within a certain area based on that area's thoughts . if a church is coming against this thought entity it does not only mean the community rejects their message .. it also means their message and services may not be relevant to the community .

churches have similar accumulated thought bubbles as well . that accumulate until cleaned out .

What you call thought bubbles I call DISCERNMENT!

Matjohluk · Feb 21, 2014

Michael Collum said:
Hmmm let's see . if it doesn't go away when you rebuke it . it's not a demon . quite often people avoid christians because the thoughts in their head get rebuked or attacked or exorcized .

sometimes Christians when they project their anger at me feel like demons but i can tell the difference as the source of the anger has a beating heart and a human body .

IF it doesn't go away, then you are not in authority!

Any form of anger is demonic, and that is why Scriptures says not to let the sun set on anger, because it will turn into bitterness and resentfulness.

Therefore, those who project anger at you are resentful of you, and that's demonic, a spirit of unforgiveness.

We have two minds: our carnal mind (our brain) and our spiritual mind (our heart). If we work continually in our brain then we will have a battle on our hands. If we work continually in our heart then we will have a spiritual answer to the problem.

Demons dwell in our "soul", and if you look directly into the eyes of a person you will be looking through the windows of their soul, and through discernment, not thought bubbles, you will see the truth.

Blessings.

Andrea411 · Feb 21, 2014

Michael Collum said:
Hmmm let's see . if it doesn't go away when you rebuke it . it's not a demon . quite often people avoid christians because the thoughts in their head get rebuked or attacked or exorcized .

sometimes Christians when they project their anger at me feel like demons but i can tell the difference as the source of the anger has a beating heart and a human body .

I'm not angry at all… I understand New Age stuff is not Christian but I asked you a direct question its yes or no. I just don't understand you? Your not giving any background or scripture…. so I'd like an answer if you wouldn't mind, Thanks, andrea
and….

I wish you could just rebuke them and they'd go…..sometimes you must throw out the strongman first (sin or stronghold in your own life etc ) some only with fasting???

Alive_Again · Feb 21, 2014

I was asking the original poster what they meant by "territorial spirits", because like so many things, it means different things to different people.

I also wanted it to be clear for anyone who reads, that it is NOT a sin to be angry. It is a sin to be angry without a cause. I think this implies "angry with someone" because who gets angry without a cause?

You might have been facetious, but I couldn't tell, and I want everyone to be sure it is understood about anger.

The controversy I had heard about the "other" kind of territorial type spirits, are to take on disabling the "head" in order to bring the enemy into disarray.

That's where the instruction from the Lord to Kenneth Hagin seems to be helpful, and not at the top, but dealing with the matters at hand.

I would just say to do as you're led. In intercession you might speak against all of the spirits. But I wouldn't assume we can handcuff the headship just because we "get a wild hare" so to speak.

If we're to own the gates of our enemies and every place our shoes set is our dominion, then if there is a stronghold of a particular variety (judging just by what's going on around you), then it is scriptural to nullify the power of the enemy no matter what it is. I would think if you step forward (being filled), that you would get a word of knowledge about how to direct the attack. The attacks in the unseen realm aren't supposed to be shots in the dark, like of like playing "battleship" (i.e., F7 - Hit!". The Lord knows where they are all at.

I remember what the Lord told Randy Clark, if you target something the Lord doesn't lead you to target, you become a target. So always do as you're led and pick your battles carefully and prayerfully.

What about some of these "psychic readings"?!!!!!!!!

Gregory Thompson · Feb 21, 2014

Matjohluk said:
What you call thought bubbles I call DISCERNMENT!

with my discernment i discern people sharing thoughts like people share files over the internet .

Matjohluk said:
IF it doesn't go away, then you are not in authority!

Any form of anger is demonic, and that is why Scriptures says not to let the sun set on anger, because it will turn into bitterness and resentfulness.

Therefore, those who project anger at you are resentful of you, and that's demonic, a spirit of unforgiveness.

We have two minds: our carnal mind (our brain) and our spiritual mind (our heart). If we work continually in our brain then we will have a battle on our hands. If we work continually in our heart then we will have a spiritual answer to the problem.

Demons dwell in our "soul", and if you look directly into the eyes of a person you will be looking through the windows of their soul, and through discernment, not thought bubbles, you will see the truth.

Blessings.

there's other things these days .. that are not demons . if you don't have to deal with it then cool beans

Andrea411 said:
I'm not angry at all I understand New Age stuff is not Christian but I asked you a direct question its yes or no. I just don't understand you? Your not giving any background or scripture. so I'd like an answer if you wouldn't mind, Thanks, andrea
and.

I wish you could just rebuke them and they'd go..sometimes you must throw out the strongman first (sin or stronghold in your own life etc ) some only with fasting???

i wasn't saying you were angry . i didn't know if you were asking a question or just being flippant and not expecting an answer .

if you're serious . please re-ask your question .

Matjohluk · Feb 21, 2014

Michael Collum said:
with my discernment i discern people sharing thoughts like people share files over the internet .

there's other things these days .. that are not demons . if you don't have to deal with it then cool beans

i wasn't saying you were angry . i didn't know if you were asking a question or just being flippant and not expecting an answer .

if you're serious . please re-ask your question .

Yes, they are called "alters" not cool beans, and there are many things that we are encountering, and the Body of Christ are not aware of and if you shared it with them they would reckon you are mad. Been around the traps a long time, and very aware of the earthly and heavenly things of the natural and supernatural.

There are other things than demons and alters, and it's called mind-control and brainwashing. Look up and you will see them.

Blessings.

Gregory Thompson · Feb 21, 2014

Matjohluk said:
Yes, they are called "alters" not cool beans, and there are many things that we are encountering, and the Body of Christ are not aware of and if you shared it with them they would reckon you are mad. Been around the traps a long time, and very aware of the earthly and heavenly things of the natural and supernatural.

There are other things than demons and alters, and it's called mind-control and brainwashing. Look up and you will see them.

Blessings.

I understand, wasn't sure whether you got it or not .

Matjohluk · Feb 22, 2014

Michael Collum said:
I understand, wasn't sure whether you got it or not .

I know them well!

Gregory Thompson · Feb 22, 2014

Matjohluk said:
I know them well!

the verse that echos back is "people's hearts will grow cold because of the increase of iniquity but keep on loving .."

Matjohluk · Feb 22, 2014

Michael Collum said:
the verse that echos back is "people's hearts will grow cold because of the increase of iniquity but keep on loving .."

And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Matt. 24:10-14)

Betrayal has been around for some time now, we now have a cess pool of false teachers and prophets, and most have their two feet in two different camps, the struggle is hard and the weary are getting weaker. The line has been set, and you see it in the skies, the warnings are there, but the witchcraft that is abounding within the Body is so ripe that HIS Sheep do not know the truth. Look up and the truth is imprinted in the sky.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...vers-shocking-truth-behind-chemtrails;400;265

tturt · Feb 23, 2014

posted: "... if you target something the Lord doesn't lead you to target, you become a target. So always do as you're led and pick your battles carefully and prayerfully."

Also, no matter our intentions, it would be good to repent of anything that we've done "on our own."

parsley · Feb 23, 2014

Scriptural support for territorial spirits --

Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Romans 8:38 I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present nor things to come nor powers.

Also, some people speak of the Lucifer falling passage as tying supernatural together with human figureheads.

The Greek word for "principalities" -

"beginning, origin, active cause, the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader, corners of a sail"

The same word is used here:

Jude 1:6

And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds...

as here:

Hebrews 2:3

..So great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us...

as here:
Revelation 22:13

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

generally territorial spirits are really a bubble of consciousness formed within a certain area based on that area's thoughts . if a church is coming against this thought entity it does not only mean the community rejects their message .. it also means their message and services may not be relevant to the community ...churches have similar accumulated thought bubbles as well . that accumulate until cleaned out .

People tend to congregate where they feel comfortable. Then when a teaching is promoted, they rally together and build it up. This reinforcement does create a bubble of consciousness, no matter how new-agey it sounds. It is just a microcosm of agreement, where people don't look outside at the variations -- they assume they are right, want to stay right, and have surrounded themselves with people who will confirm that.

Spirits involved... sure, of course. People are too.

Now is knowledge of "territorial spirits" necessary in order to deal with issues like that ? I don't know lol ... had they chosen differently, there would not have been the spread of evil in the first place, so perhaps direct knowledge of precisely what the unclean spirit was, and the way it would manifest and operate and move amongst them ... would not have been necessary. However they made "other" choices, and the leaven worked itself through the dough

That definitely relates to why Jesus would not have talked much about it. We are not victims to spirits -- the tares are continually mixed in with the wheat, and we are expected to grow with our peripheral vision self-managed.

Consider the teaching of the demon leaving and coming back with more, in the context of a group of believers trying to cast out a stronghold from a nation. If it picks up and moves, it will go somewhere else and settle in... or return, with a very mixed nation not resistant to it.

I don't think that's cause for not doing anything -- but when there have been teachings on territorial spirits, legalisms frequently pop in. People teach things like, "You can't cast out something in that neighborhood without the pastors' permission." Which is far from scriptural.

We are to pray for our leaders -- who come even closer to those (possible) territorial spirits than we do.

it is NOT a sin to be angry. It is a sin to be angry without a cause.

Plenty of incidents in scriptures where people were angry. Also where God said He was.

Zechariah 1:15
But I am very angry with the nations who are at ease; for while I was only a little angry, they furthered the disaster.

I think they meant bitterness/resentment, harbored.
We fear being able to do anything about an injustice, and so hold onto the emotion and our defense statement, just in case.
Sometimes we are angry because we should have said something earlier -- we should have expressed our outrage when the topic first came up.

to take on disabling the "head" in order to bring the enemy into disarray.

I know when I drive from one country into another, I immediately see something different.

Here too. It always surprises me. Sometimes my gut reaction is not wanting to be/live there, but then I realize it's more about work to be done, or the spiritual flavor of the people together.

Surrounding oneself with the blanket of pity, without acting toward truth and justice... that is when we open the door.

Charismatic churches will do spiritual warfare, including territorial warfare but it is a long teaching with many different interpretations.

Jesus was concerned about people, and I really think that in this case, he would have said SOMETHING about it if he thought it was important for us to go around cleansing the land.

If you go in fear well don't go.

parsley · Feb 23, 2014

Scriptural support for territorial spirits --

Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Romans 8:38 I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present nor things to come nor powers.

Also, some people speak of the Lucifer falling passage as tying supernatural together with human figureheads.

The Greek word for "principalities" -

"beginning, origin, active cause, the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader, corners of a sail"

The same word is used here:

Jude 1:6

And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds...

as here:

Hebrews 2:3

..So great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us...

as here:
Revelation 22:13

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

So there is room for interpretation on the subject.

generally territorial spirits are really a bubble of consciousness formed within a certain area based on that area's thoughts . if a church is coming against this thought entity it does not only mean the community rejects their message .. it also means their message and services may not be relevant to the community ...churches have similar accumulated thought bubbles as well . that accumulate until cleaned out .

People tend to congregate where they feel comfortable. Then when a teaching is promoted, they rally together and build it up. This reinforcement does create a bubble of consciousness, no matter how new-agey it sounds. It is just a microcosm of agreement, where people don't look outside at the variations -- they assume they are right, want to stay right, and have surrounded themselves with people who will confirm that.

Spirits involved... sure, of course. People are too.

Now is knowledge of "territorial spirits" necessary in order to deal with issues like that ? I don't know lol ... had they chosen differently, there would not have been the spread of evil in the first place, so perhaps direct knowledge of precisely what the unclean spirit was, and the way it would manifest and operate and move amongst them ... would not have been necessary. However they made "other" choices, and the leaven worked itself through the dough

That definitely relates to why Jesus would not have talked much about it. We are not victims to spirits -- the tares are continually mixed in with the wheat, and we are expected to grow with our peripheral vision self-managed.

Consider the teaching of the demon leaving and coming back with more, in the context of a group of believers trying to cast out a stronghold from a nation. If it picks up and moves, it will go somewhere else and settle in... or return, with a very mixed nation not resistant to it.

I don't think that's cause for not doing anything -- but when there have been teachings on territorial spirits, legalisms frequently pop in. People teach things like, "You can't cast out something in that neighborhood without the pastors' permission." Which is far from scriptural.

We are to pray for our leaders -- who come even closer to those (possible) territorial spirits than we do.

it is NOT a sin to be angry. It is a sin to be angry without a cause.

Plenty of incidents in scriptures where people were angry. Also where God said He was.

Zechariah 1:15
But I am very angry with the nations who are at ease; for while I was only a little angry, they furthered the disaster.

I think they meant bitterness/resentment, harbored.
We fear being able to do anything about an injustice, and so hold onto the emotion and our defense statement, just in case.
Sometimes we are angry because we should have said something earlier -- we should have expressed our outrage when the topic first came up.

to take on disabling the "head" in order to bring the enemy into disarray.

I know when I drive from one country into another, I immediately see something different.

Here too. It always surprises me. Sometimes my gut reaction is not wanting to be/live there, but then I realize it's more about work to be done, or the spiritual flavor of the people together.

Surrounding oneself with the blanket of pity, without acting toward truth and justice... that is when we open the door.

Charismatic churches will do spiritual warfare, including territorial warfare but it is a long teaching with many different interpretations.

Jesus was concerned about people, and I really think that in this case, he would have said SOMETHING about it if he thought it was important for us to go around cleansing the land.

If you go in fear… well don't go.

Optimus Fortis · Feb 25, 2014

I hadn't heard of the term "Territorial spirits" but when I read it here, it reminded me of Daniel 10.

Mama Kidogo · Feb 26, 2014

TillICollapse said:
An example of what I would call a territorial spirit on "the ground level", so to speak.

I worked in this place where my boss was not the most loyal of spouses, if you get what I'm saying. And while working with her, I found I was getting a lot of spiritual insight for her into her marriage and relationships ... and we would often talk and have conversations about her life and choices, and she even acknowledged what I said many times as being both real, practical, and truthful, etc. She tried to incorporate a bit of it into her life, but ultimately ... she didn't change.

I began to have spiritual insight that if she didn't change, it was going to effect her sexually. Well, about that time, we hired this guy ... and I didn't trust him from day one. I prayed about him almost right away, to try and understand why I didn't trust him, and immediately I got the word "soul-less". Whatever that meant ... whether it meant he had no soul, or what, I didn't know ... but that's typically not a beneficial word in describing someone.

Well anyway ... I began to discern that he should not be trusted by my boss ... that she should keep her distance from him, etc. I believed it had to do with cheating, etc ... and I shared this with her. She didn't listen. She ended up cheating with him, and got an STD from him ... which she then passed to her spouse. Shortly after that, she left her job ... and her job needed to be filled.

Now, she had one boss over her ... and this boss began to consider HIM as her replacement lol. He wasn't even that great of an employee. He wasn't the type of guy most women would even give a second look at, to be honest. Yet here he was quickly moving up through the ranks, spreading STD's to his boss, and then being considered as the replacement for that same boss.

I encouraged my boss (the one who was considering hiring him to replace my other boss) to not hire him. She said he looked great on paper, and he had some previous experience ... and that she was being pressured by her corporate managers to look for someone just like him to move up into that position. I told her, over and over and over and over again that he was poison, and that she would likely regret hiring him if she actually did, that he could cause things to happen which she wouldn't want happening ... but ultimately, she didn't listen either. She caved into the pressure from her management, she went with the "safe economic choice", and hired him.

Shortly thereafter, her own child got an STD ... now, this STD did not come from this guy, rather her child got the STD from another partner altogether. And when she revealed this to me, she was devastated .... she said her child was now suicidal, that she felt helpless and, "As a mother, I wish I could have prevented this type of thing ... he feels his life is over because it will not limit everyone he can be involved with," etc ...

And within a few months, she regretted hiring him. The store began to decline, and she began to look for ways to fire him. Also, all of her good people left ... the ones who really loved their jobs, were honest, and did right by the customers, etc.

Now ... both her (the boss who hired him and kept helping him climb the ladder) and my other boss (the one who cheated with him and got the STD, etc) ... were believers. And while they didn't necessarily know what I knew, or see what I saw spiritually ... the still had choices to make, which they KNEW were the right choices ... but they decided to make opposite choices instead. And those choices, only gave way to evil ... and this is how I believe the evil spread:

This "soul-less" guy shows up, and begins to exploit the weakness of those working at the store. My one boss, who is concerned with money and pleasing the "corporations are people too" management team, and my other boss who was cheating on her spouse, etc. He comes in, and exploits the one woman ... spreading an evil spirit who causes sickness in her, which she then spreads to others (the STD). Spirits and human sickness, disease, etc, sometimes go hand in hand. This is like ... a spirit spreading it's territory. The "soul-less" guy is the main carrier and puppet, and the spirit exploits others whom give way to it.

And the guy who is the "puppet" ... the soul-less guy ... he doesn't even have to physically sleep with someone in order to help spread the STD. It's the SPIRIT ... you give place to this guy and make the wrong choices, and the spirit will DRAW others who are also puppets to the scene. Like with my other boss ... she gives place to this guy, and what happens ? "Coincidentally" her own child meets a complete stranger who suddenly gives them an STD also. In other words, she gave way to this guy ... who brought with him a certain kind of spirit. This spirit attacked her and her loved ones, by exploiting their weaknesses ... and brought another similar puppet or "soldier" to her own child, to spread the spirit to them in addition to the mother. This is more "spreading of territory" ... it doesn't just effect the person involved, but it works it's way through any means that open themselves to it and allow it access.

In that example ... it's like watching a spirit began to use it's influence to effect people who are connected to each other, and the fruit begins to show as well: disease and sickness spread to family members, loved ones, relationships break apart, some of those people's lives are changed in horrid ways, etc and so forth.

Those spiritual influences began to move in and take over that store and some of the people.

Keep in mind, those were believers. And at each stage of their choices, they had people there to help them make different choices. Like me, for example, someone who was gaining spiritual discernment and trying to warn them, although they would not listen. So they were not left hopeless ... they had answers. They made choices based on other "logic", however. So even though evil was working it's way through, Good was also trying to warn, help, and show them a better way.

Now is knowledge of "territorial spirits" necessary in order to deal with issues like that ? I don't know lol ... had they chosen differently, there would not have been the spread of evil in the first place, so perhaps direct knowledge of precisely what the unclean spirit was, and the way it would manifest and operate and move amongst them ... would not have been necessary. However they made "other" choices, and the leaven worked itself through the dough. If there is a spirit known as "Mammon" that has to do with money, I would also tend to think that one could say Mammon was involved in this scenario as well ... for example my boss who thought it made good corporate sense to hire this soul-less person for an upper level position. Instead of doing the thing which was spiritually safe, and preventing the spread of evil through this guy ... she went with "corporate logic" and "financial benefit sense", etc. So if issues like that involve "Mammon" as a spiritual entity of some sort, then one might could say that Mammon came in and helped to influence her decision making and pressure her. Mammon working to help spread the other spirits influence in the situation, etc. I'm not saying I was shown this in that situation however .... only that I considered it. What I was discerning was this spirit specifically that was working through this guy, and the others it was effecting ... I'm not saying I was discerning the presence of "Mammon" or some such. Again, only that I was pondering it.

I would consider this like I said, a "ground level" example of an unclean spirit working it's way territorially, so to speak. A more dramatic and "large scale" example would be an entire country and entire population of people. For example, go to Fallujah, Iraq, and start talking about freedom in Christ and such, or speak to the women freely without fear ... and see what happens. What do you think the response of the people will be ? Something like that would be a much more large scale example, perhaps, or "territorial spirits" and such. But on a smaller, less obvious scale, the example I gave is there for you to ponder if you like.

I guess I'm safe. No one has mistaken me for a swimsuit model lately and I'm not seeing boogers in my bed. Sometimes the little poodle will sneak in and quietly go to sleep.
The woman definitely had issues. I'm not qualified to diagnose them.

TillICollapse · Feb 26, 2014

Mama Kidogo said:
I guess I'm safe. No one has mistaken me for a swimsuit model lately and I'm not seeing boogers in my bed. Sometimes the little poodle will sneak in and quietly go to sleep.
The woman definitely had issues. I'm not qualified to diagnose them.

Luckily, I believe God loves them, and sends all manner of qualified help to them. At least in my experience.

ETA: This account here in this thread was about different people unrelated to the account in the other thread.

Matjohluk · Feb 26, 2014

Optimus Fortis said:
I hadn't heard of the term "Territorial spirits" but when I read it here, it reminded me of Daniel 10.

Not territorial spirits, but God's Messenger/Angel:

So when he spoke to me I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak, for you have strengthened me.

20 Then he said, Do you know why I have come to you? And now I must return to fight with the prince of Persia; and when I have gone forth, indeed the prince of Greece will come. 21 But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.

But, Prince of Persian and Greece are strongmen of those areas, principalities and powers.

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