Taking questions of the Different state past (2)

Kylie · Oct 1, 2014

dad said:
Try to focus before posting. The context was that in the bible there is oodles of evidence the past was different.

So what? It's still a book, and books can have anything at all in them.

I've got a few books that have evidence that time travel is possible:

The Time Machine, by H G Wells

The Man Who Folded Himself, By David Gerrold

Timeline, by Michael Crichton.

Stories can claim whatever they want, doesn't make them true.

It's about time you grew up and realised this.

(Oh, and I notice you completely ignored the other post by me.)

PsychoSarah · Oct 1, 2014

dad said:
Would to.

Except the life of man and angels on earth described in Scripture did not say it was the long series of special miracles in every leaf and tree and creature! The issue is believing the record---or not. You can't explain it with our present nature.

You sir, cannot explain it with present physics. I say all powerful magic deity doesn't require weird physics for anything

dad · Oct 1, 2014

MarkFellitt said:
You will believe what you want to believe regardless of truth

As I have said, you guys ought to face a fine for even using the word truth!

, for you the truth would only get in the way,

There you go again. I'll take Jesus' definition of truth, thanks.

that's why religions have chosen to dispense with truth completely and rely solely on the myth, faith backed by lies,

Rambling on with some little meaningless mantra that uses the words truth and lies is a worthless endeavor.

no matter it's all meaningless and without foundation anyway.

I am standing on the Rock of Ages. Blow all you like. Huff and puff also if you feel a need. Whooopee do.

dad · Oct 1, 2014

Kunjax said:
Care to quote those "oodles of evidence"?

The evidence I refer to is bible evidence. Here is a few of the differences outlined.

http://splitmerge.webs.com/split.pdf

All evidences of history and science are also with me at least as much as they could be construed to be with your bizarre same state past belief.

Any way we shake it, I win.

dad · Oct 1, 2014

KTS said:
So what? It's still a book, and books can have anything at all in them.

So what??!

To admit I have a great bible case is to admit you are defeated totally. The only other element in the battle basically is to show that you can't prove the required same state past science posits! That is a done deal.

How sweet it is!

As for your fiction books, they are no more compared to tried and true Scripture than toilet paper wrapping writings.

dad · Oct 1, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
You sir, cannot explain it with present physics.

No one can, because none were involved!!

I say all powerful magic deity doesn't require weird physics for anything

You are not in a position to say. Heaven requires more than what we have now. Really.

PsychoSarah · Oct 1, 2014

dad said:
No one can, because none were involved!!

You are not in a position to say. Heaven requires more than what we have now. Really.

You are in no position to say what god would have had to do either you know

dad · Oct 1, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
You are in no position to say what god would have had to do either you know

I am in a position to know what God DID. No one cares what you think He supposedly 'had' to do.

dad · Oct 1, 2014

By the way KTS let's see you show us what the Goblin formation you cited was made of, how it formed, when etc..rather than a glib say nothing quote from the Daily Mail!

PS Here is a clue.."Within the park are rocks composed of sediments
from ancient seas, shorelines, river channels, and playas. With the passage
of time these layers of sand, silt, and clay became deeply buried
and transformed to rock. Much later, large-scale tectonic forces uplifted
the area and prompted erosion to begin to expose the deeply buried layers
of rock."

http://geology.utah.gov/online/pdf/pi-65.pdf

Really want to claim these were 'made' in this state!!?

Kunjax · Oct 1, 2014

dad said:
The evidence I refer to is bible evidence. Here is a few of the differences outlined.

I read it, and the author only uses biblical quotes to support a future with different laws. I didn't see any quotes in that article supporting a different state past. He presented an argument for it, but without any evidence.

Kylie · Oct 2, 2014

dad said:
So what??!

To admit I have a great bible case is to admit you are defeated totally.

Only if the claims in the Bible are true. They are not.

The only other element in the battle basically is to show that you can't prove the required same state past science posits! That is a done deal.

Yoiu have no idea how a debate works at all, do you? You need to provide actual evidence first, dad.

How sweet it is!

And how foolish will you feel when you realise you haven't been doing it right?

As for your fiction books, they are no more compared to tried and true Scripture than toilet paper wrapping writings.

And your mythology is the work of ancient people who struggled to come up with reasons for things they did not understand.

When you are done with the name calling and can play with the big kids, let me know.

Kylie · Oct 2, 2014

dad said:
By the way KTS let's see you show us what the Goblin formation you cited was made of, how it formed, when etc..rather than a glib say nothing quote from the Daily Mail!

PS Here is a clue.."Within the park are rocks composed of sediments
from ancient seas, shorelines, river channels, and playas. With the passage
of time these layers of sand, silt, and clay became deeply buried
and transformed to rock. Much later, large-scale tectonic forces uplifted
the area and prompted erosion to begin to expose the deeply buried layers
of rock."

http://geology.utah.gov/online/pdf/pi-65.pdf

Really want to claim these were 'made' in this state!!?

Completely irrelevant. As long as the formation is ABOVE the KT boundary, it must be in the present state by your own argument!

PsychoSarah · Oct 2, 2014

dad said:
I am in a position to know what God DID. No one cares what you think He supposedly 'had' to do.

I am not the one claiming the supposedly omnipotent deity had to do things a certain way.

dad · Oct 2, 2014

Kunjax said:
I read it, and the author only uses biblical quotes to support a future with different laws. I didn't see any quotes in that article supporting a different state past. He presented an argument for it, but without any evidence.

You misunderstand. The bible evidence is what was being looked at. Science is not a player unless it can prove some state existed. The evidences fit either state. It is purely a question of belief. Once we see that the bible comes down on one side of the issue for the far past and future, and once we see that science cannot prove the state it claims, you have no possible case.

dad · Oct 2, 2014

KTS said:
Only if the claims in the Bible are true. They are not.

Your unsupported opinion is weighed with the life and words of Christ and all the holy men of God that were involved in Scripture and history. Your opinion is found wanting. Mene mene tekel ukiddin?

Yoiu have no idea how a debate works at all, do you? You need to provide actual evidence first, dad.

The bible is evidence when it comes to a future and past unknown to science. You have no other. Where does that leave you?

And how foolish will you feel when you realise you haven't been doing it right?

That remains to be seen. Bring it sis.

And your mythology is the work of ancient people who struggled to come up with reasons for things they did not understand.

Only in the sight of those who cannot see the spiritual power behind the words and men used for them. That amounts to nothing more than an admission of shortsightedness, and limited perspective.

The big kids are not amused.

dad · Oct 2, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
I am not the one claiming the supposedly omnipotent deity had to do things a certain way.

Are you claiming He did it ANY way? Are you claiming He didn't do it? Should we all bow to the unknown first life form, and singularity hot soup?

The more I see what science knows, the more I see how little it knows.

dad · Oct 2, 2014

KTS said:
Completely irrelevant. As long as the formation is ABOVE the KT boundary, it must be in the present state by your own argument!

Ask someone mildly familar with geology if everything that was uplifted should have atoms that started to exist in this state only! You kidding?? What a scream.

PsychoSarah · Oct 2, 2014

dad said:
Are you claiming He did it ANY way? Are you claiming He didn't do it? Should we all bow to the unknown first life form, and singularity hot soup?

The more I see what science knows, the more I see how little it knows.

Technically, even if deities existed, it wouldn't mean they created anything, but as an atheist and with simple logic you would know that no one thinks that things which are not real directly interact with things that are.

Of course you shouldn't bow down to the first life form, do you honestly think atheists do? We don't worship anything, unless it is an atheist from one of the truly atheist religions, such as a branch of Buddhism. In any case, is it so hard to comprehend existence without you bowing down to something?

dad · Oct 2, 2014

PsychoSarah said:
Technically, even if deities existed, it wouldn't mean they created anything, but as an atheist and with simple logic you would know that no one thinks that things which are not real directly interact with things that are.

Scripture says Jesus created. No technical anything is required.

Of course you shouldn't bow down to the first life form,

Especially since it never existed.

do you honestly think atheists do? We don't worship anything, unless it is an atheist from one of the truly atheist religions, such as a branch of Buddhism.

To worship means to hold above all else basically, and reverence and respect. So, yes, you do.

In any case, is it so hard to comprehend existence without you bowing down to something?

To give honor where honor is due is a good thing. To be grateful for great mercies and kindnesses is a good thing. That all comes with knowing we cannot save ourselves, I would think....and starting to feel God's hand in our lives.

Kylie · Oct 3, 2014

dad said:
Ask someone mildly familar with geology if everything that was uplifted should have atoms that started to exist in this state only! You kidding?? What a scream.

Okay, you are completely ignorant of how radio-dating works, and you have just proved it. Your position is laughable and you have shown yourself to be completely uninformed on the subjects you are talking about.

Go and educate yourself and stop making a fool of yourself.

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