Take on the Trinity- What do you think?

mythbuster · Jul 15, 2005

The Father sends the Spirit to obtain a bride for the Son. Abraham. his servant, and Isaac. (Gen. 24)
What I enjoyed is that the Spirit is waitning for us to draw water from the well and satisfy His thirst. We think that we search out the Spirit only to find the Spirit is waiting for us. We drink, He drinks, in a mutual satisfaction. The thirsty Savior was waiting for the woman at the well in John 4.

Enjoying the Triune God. Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation. Isaiah 12.

depthdeception · Jul 18, 2005

SevenAngels said:
Now, the Jesus of the New Testament, and the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament are "forms" of God. So since God spoke and all things came into being, he thought them into being. It would be sort of like you closing your eyes and "creating" a world in your mind, and then "thinking" yourself into your creation/world in your mind. Jesus was God, by God thinking himself into his creation of our world. In the old Testament, he contends that Moses actually come as close as he could to seing God, as did others in the Old Testament, by God "projecting" himself into his creation in various forms, even that of a burning bush.

So the Nasa Mike says that the Holy Spirit is the "thought" of God. The Holy Spirit is not a visible/physical being but is the direct thoughts of God coming to us.

Have any of you gone to the Nasa Mike website (at nasamike.com/main/book/) and read through his views? Pretty interesting take on the Trinity, and he bases and backs all of it up with the Bible.

Hmmm... Interesting. I would avoid sources like this, as the writer does not engage any other thinkers in the development of his theology. The way in which the nature of the Trinity is described sounds an awful lot like Modalistic Monarchianism, a view of God that was condemned as heresy early on in Church history. The error of this comes not in perversion of the Scriptures, per se, but more in the attempt to logically qualify the Triune nature of God--something that has no correlate in the natural world. How then, could one expect to explain the nature of the Trinity on the basis of logical reasoning? It will never work--just like all other aspects of Christian belief, this one must also be taken on faith.

Simonline · Jul 19, 2005

SevenAngels said:
Hello!

I am new here, and thought I'd ask you guys and gals what your view is of the Trinity.

Everyone at one point or another has tried to struggle through comprehending the nature of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I am sure that this all has been talked about before, but thought I would throw this view out there for you to ponder.

I recently found the Nasa Mike website. He has an interesting view on the Trinity. He puts forth that God is outside all things, and that we are "In" Him. That is why no one can see Him and live, since we would have to come outside of Him to "See" him.

Now, the Jesus of the New Testament, and the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament are "forms" of God. So since God spoke and all things came into being, he thought them into being. It would be sort of like you closing your eyes and "creating" a world in your mind, and then "thinking" yourself into your creation/world in your mind. Jesus was God, by God thinking himself into his creation of our world. In the old Testament, he contends that Moses actually come as close as he could to seing God, as did others in the Old Testament, by God "projecting" himself into his creation in various forms, even that of a burning bush.

So the Nasa Mike says that the Holy Spirit is the "thought" of God. The Holy Spirit is not a visible/physical being but is the direct thoughts of God coming to us.

Have any of you gone to the Nasa Mike website (at nasamike.com/main/book/) and read through his views? Pretty interesting take on the Trinity, and he bases and backs all of it up with the Bible.

Well, just thought I would try to post something here, and see what you all think about this.

Take care, God bless you and your families, and have a Happy Easter. HE IS RISEN!

SevenAngels

Don't you know that all heretics use the Bible in order to justify their heresies?! Just because something is 'Biblically-based' or 'rooted in Scripture' etc. does not mean that it is in accordance with the Truth of the Scriptures or 'Scripturally sound'. (2Tim.2:15)

'Nasa Mike's' ideas are complete 'off-the-wall' fantasies and as such completely contrary to the Scriptures. If 'the angel of the Lord' and 'the Messiah' are nothing more than 'mental projections' of God into our reality then that means that the Scriptures are lying when they record the Messiah as saying 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Begining and the End' (Rev.1:8;11; 21:6; 22:13 KJV) since, according to Nasa Mike, he is actually nothing more than a finite mental projection of God and not the One Eternal Being who is God himself (Jn.1:1; 10:30-33). Such heresies are blasphemous.

And how does one lie to a thought (Acts.5:3-4)? How does one grieve a mental projection (Eph.4:30)? This drivel that is being passed off as 'authentic Christianity' is actually more akin to the heresies of Mary Baker Eddy in her book Science and Health With Key To The Scriptures one of the foundational writings of the Christian Science Movement which, in Truth, is neither Christian nor scientific. It is clear that this guy really has you taken for a sucker?!

Simonline.

Simonline · Jul 19, 2005

reformedfan said:
old fashion heresy gussied up in new age clothes.

The Trinity: try to explain it, you lose your mind; try to deny it, you lose your soul

The implication being that the Trinity is an incomprehensible article of faith (translation: a load of old gobbldegook) which no-one understands but everyone has to believe?

However, that's not what the Scriptures say (1Cor.2:6-16). I've been explaining the Trinity for quite some considerable time now and, to the best of our knowledge, we haven't yet lost our mind...have we?! (Only joking )

Simonline.

Philip · Jul 19, 2005

Simonline said:
'Nasa Mike's' ideas are complete 'off-the-wall' fantasies and as such completely contrary to the Scriptures. If 'the angel of the Lord' and 'the Messiah' are nothing more than 'mental projections' of God into our reality then that means that the Scriptures are lying when they record the Messiah as saying 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Begining and the End' (Rev.1:8;11; 21:6; 22:13 KJV) since, according to Nasa Mike, he is actually nothing more than a finite mental projection of God and not the One Eternal Being who is God himself (Jn.1:1; 10:30-33). Such heresies are blasphemous.

It also attacks the very nature of our salvation. If Christ were just some 'mental projection', then there is no Incarnation. The union of the Divine nature and human nature in the person of Christ is essential to the Orthodox understanding of Christ's salvific work.

AngCath · Jul 20, 2005

When it comes to the Trinity, it seems like Eastern Christians are a little more advanced and don't tend to just throw up their hands and declare it a mystery. For those interested I recommend reading Vladimir Lossky's Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church where the Trinity is treated very heavily.

Philip · Jul 20, 2005

AngCath said:
When it comes to the Trinity, it seems like Eastern Christians are a little more advanced and don't tend to just throw up their hands and declare it a mystery.

I agree with this. In the West, theologians seem to focus more on doctrines like Justification. In the East, there was/is a greater emphasis on trying to understand the Trinity (or at least the relationships between the persons of the Trinity) and the Incarnation. Much of our theology is based on this. For example, in the East, we tend to focus more on who Christ is. In the West, there seems to be a greater emphasis on what He did.

AngCath · Jul 20, 2005

For example, in the East, we tend to focus more on who Christ is. In the West, there seems to be a greater emphasis on what He did.

I've noticed that in my readings from the East. It is throughout the Philokalia and other Orthodox writings I've encountered. In the West it is the mystics who focus more on who Christ is while most focus on other theological issues... must be why i have an affinity for the mystical theology of the East

jgaive · Jul 20, 2005

We need to focus both on who Jesus is and what he did - as Melanthon said: "to know Christ is to know his benefits".

As has been said above, indeed as the great Athanasius argued against the heretic Arius, unless Jesus is the Son of God, that is truly divine, he cannot be our Saviour (bearing in mind that redemption is the joint act of the Three Persons acting together in perfect unity)

davidoffinland · Jul 26, 2005

From Finland

There is an article "Elohim in Context" exploring the word "Elohim" in its wide useage in scriptures. It adds to this discussion "on what we are thinking..." Go to:

http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/monotheism/context-elohim.html

Shalom,
David.

Simonline · Jul 26, 2005

AngCath said:
When it comes to the Trinity, it seems like Eastern Christians are a little more advanced and don't tend to just throw up their hands and declare it a mystery. For those interested I recommend reading Vladimir Lossky's Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church where the Trinity is treated very heavily.

Not all Western Christians are theologically illiterate believe me (see my posts on the following thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t1826132-trinity-question.html). Alas, due to woefully inadequate teaching and the 'dumbing down' of the Judeo-Christian faith, it has become a sad reflection and indictment upon the Western Evangelical Church that few within her can now marshall a spirited apologetic in support of the finer theological neuances of the only True faith, thus clearing the way for all kinds of blasphemous heresies to take root and thrive.

Simonline.

jgaive · Jul 28, 2005

davidoffinland said:
From Finland

There is an article "Elohim in Context" exploring the word "Elohim" in its wide useage in scriptures. It adds to this discussion "on what we are thinking..." Go to:

http://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/monotheism/context-elohim.html

Shalom,
David.

Thank you for this useful reference - very helpful

mythbuster · Aug 14, 2005

The Triune God in our experience,

Ephesians 3:16-17."That He would grant you according to the riches of His glory to be strengthened with power through His Spirit into the inner man, That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith." Recovery Version.

The Father strengthens us through His Spirit that His Son would make His home in our hearts. At one time we were without God. But through the operation of the might of His stregth, we can know the surpasing greatness of His power towaed us who believe.

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