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Supernatural Miracles in relation to creation and te.

Supernatural miracles in realtion to creation and TE.

  • TE- all miracles discribe in the bible not relate to Genesis happened.

  • TE- most of the "supernatural" miracles of the bible probably had a more natural explanation.

  • Creation-all the miracles discribe in the bible that do not relate to Genesis happened.

  • Creation- most of the "supernatural" miracles of the bible probably had a more natural explanation.

  • TE-outside of the virgin birth and resurrection, very few if any "supernatural" miracles took place.

  • Creation-only Creation, virgin birth, resurrection, very few if any "supernatural" miracles

  • TE-not even sure about the virgin birth.

  • Creation- all "supernatural" miracles of bible literally happened and still happen today.

  • TE-except Genesis, all "supernatural" miracles of bible literally happened and still happen today.

  • Other.


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charityagape

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Thanks, good post. And thanks for generalizing, I know the poll can't specifically address everything, and its not meant too, its simply to determine if there's a general correlation of believing in supernatural miracles and believing in TE or C.
 
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charityagape said:
Thanks, good post. And thanks for generalizing, I know the poll can't specifically address everything, and its not meant too, its simply to determine if there's a general correlation of believing in supernatural miracles and believing in TE or C.

Then why didn't you ask that?

Sure, I accept that supernatural miricals can take place.
 
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Don't really mean to reject the poll by voting "other" but I don't fit with any on a slightly different ground.

I believe that ALL of the miracles in the Bible COULD have had a naturalistic explanation. But as a scientist, I do not use the word "probably" unless I really do think there is a greater than 50% chance of this being true.

Further, you've constructed the poll to address every Biblical miracle BUT creation. In the eyes of a scientist, creation might be the only event that COULD NOT be natural and therefore must have had a supernatural cause.

I was really leaning toward the option where most miracles probably have naturalistic explanations, but my real position is that most miracles COULD have had naturalistic explanations. Further, my position is that the way God performed a particular miracle affects my faith very little so it's not really worth making a true/false judgement in each case.
 
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Sorry to add another "other", but it really is my only option. Reasons:

1. The biblical term for "miracle" literally means "sign" i.e. a sign of God's presence and power and care for his people. Whether that sign is natural or supernatural is irrelevant.

2. We don't have enough information in most cases to decide whether a particular sign is natural or supernatural. It may have seemed supernatural at the time, but, given enough detail, we may consider it natural today.

3. What Deamiter said. Although I hold that most (perhaps all) miracles could have a natural explanation, I can't say they did or probably did. Just because we can speculate on a possible natural cause doesn't mean that is the way it happened.

Conclusion: in terms of natural/supernatural, all we can say is that in some cases we have a natural explanation and in some cases we have no explanation. No explanation does not necessitate a supernatural explanation. It only leaves the door open.

What we do have in every case is a sign of God's presence and power and care for his people. And that is the point of the miracle.
 
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I don't think we should use the "does not contradict physical evidence" standard. I think an "occurs in a section that intends to relate history" standard is sufficient.
 
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charityagape said:
It's a poll. Edit: Try not to use other, unless your answer is vastly different from any of the options listed.
Sorry, but ...
I assume that unless there is evidence to the contrary, as is the case for much of the first 11 chapters of Genesis, any miracle described may have occured.

Pretty much outside of Christ's resurrection and the creation of humanity (however that occured) whether or not any particular miracle occured is not terribly relevent to me, I am much more interested in what is being taught.
 
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The crossing of the Red Sea has been postulated to be feasable through a sustained wind moving the water to a point where bare lake bottom would be available for walking.

The ceasing of the flow of the river shortly before the fall of the walls of Jericho has been suggested as a sign that an earth quake caused the walls to fall (not withstanding that the dating of that collapse is problematical archeologically)

These would have been natural phenomina, their timing would seem to be ... odd at the least.
 
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