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You don't think the change from letter to spirit is evolutionary?
Well as far as I would understand most issues of right and wrong will have differences between religious people and non religious people. But then when you look at the different religions you will also get some difference there are well. But generally religious people being say Christians as having the largest representation should have different morals according to what they believe. Even if it is a new issue. The same filters that make them see things differently on abortion should also be at work on everything. So the morals that cause them to see abortion as wrong should have influences on all their morals on just about everything they deal with. The filter will be their belief and as a Christian that should be what the bible says and what Jesus taught.
As I said I am not sure a survey of 1,200 people can be a good indication of how the majority think and behave. But some of the questions are not very specific to the difference in morals between religion and non religion. Like Both groups are very concerned about issues such as harm/care, fairness/unfairness, authority/subversion and honesty/dishonesty, she said. Those things are what everyone would think anyway regardless of religion. But if you asked a Christian how do you think that harm comes about the answer will be different from non religious people. Christians may say a lot of harm is caused by not living a good moral life according to God. The non religious person will say its because of other reasons that are man made and wont include any spiritual reasons. So we will al feel that harm is not good but that doesn't tell us anything about why or the causes that define our morals.No, the results of this study were exactly opposite what you just said.
When confronted with a "new issue", it was found that there was NOT a great deal of difference between the religious and the secular.
Despite what you might WANT to believe.
As I said I am not sure a survey of 1,200 people can be a good indication of how the majority think and behave.
But some of the questions are not very specific to the difference in morals between religion and non religion. Like Both groups are very concerned about issues such as harm/care, fairness/unfairness, authority/subversion and honesty/dishonesty, she said. Those things are what everyone would think anyway regardless of religion.
But if you asked a Christian how do you think that harm comes about the answer will be different from non religious people. Christians may say a lot of harm is caused by not living a good moral life according to God. The non religious person will say its because of other reasons that are man made and wont include any spiritual reasons. So we will al feel that harm is not good but that doesn't tell us anything about why or the causes that define our morals.
The surveys I have linked are much larger with some taking whole states into consideration. Though they dont break things down into thought patterns for that particular day or the last hour they do take into consideration behavior over a longer period. If that behavior show different results then something has caused them to think about things different to produce those results. Maybe we all think similar and religious people have more reason to do something about it.
As I said I am not sure a survey of 1,200 people can be a good indication of how the majority think and behave.
But some of the questions are not very specific to the difference in morals between religion and non religion. Like Both groups are very concerned about issues such as harm/care, fairness/unfairness, authority/subversion and honesty/dishonesty, she said. Those things are what everyone would think anyway regardless of religion.
But if you asked a Christian how do you think that harm comes about the answer will be different from non religious people. Christians may say a lot of harm is caused by not living a good moral life according to God. The non religious person will say its because of other reasons that are man made and wont include any spiritual reasons. So we will al feel that harm is not good but that doesn't tell us anything about why or the causes that define our morals.
The surveys I have linked are much larger with some taking whole states into consideration.
Why what do you think this survey is showing. Besides saying that there is not much difference in how non religious and religious people think about morals. What do you think this is saying.
Can you please point out where God so indicated? Can you please point out the significance of Jesus' claimed words when He is supposed to have said that 'not a jot or tittle' of the "letter" would be changed until the heavens pass away?
Ummmmm - maybe that religious and non-religious people think about morals in much the same way?
Moral positions of believers don't always reflect the positions held formally by their churches. I was in lunch-after-church discussions with fellow church members for many years. We seldom all agreed on anything said in the sermons, or on many public positions of the church. People do think for themselves, and don't always agree with their own church's position on things.
Well as far as I would understand most issues of right and wrong will have differences between religious people and non religious people.
I didn't say they did. I said if you poll a group if Christians vs a group of atheists you will get different percentages who think abortion or gay marriage is immoral.
You're arguing against a point I didn't make.
Like when I say 'studies have shown atheists to be smarter than the religious', it doesn't mean all atheists are smart or all religious people are stupid.
You just have to understand how statistics work a little bit.
I was responding to your first statement,
"Religious people have shown to be different from non-religious on issues specifically judged by their religion ie abortion, gay marriage."
My point is that many Christians have very worldly attitudes about a variety of 'moral' subjects regardless of the position formally held by the church.
I did not say they were not real Christians
I pointed out that nominal Christians would probably mess up this study
we are talking about statistics
lets take into account that less then 20% of Christians attend church services regularly
I am not trying to play the "no true Scotsman" game
but we CAN take that into account when looking at these numbers, right?
I not saying that I am better then anyone else
I am saying that the large number of nominal Christians skews this study
neither the nominal Christian nor the nonreligious have Christianity as the center of their moral compass
the main agents of socialization would be the same
even more devout Christian have these agents of socialization in their lives so the effects of the shared culture would still be present there as well
So you are fine with comparing "your" top 20% to "our" top 20%?I did not say they were not real Christians
I pointed out that nominal Christians would probably mess up this study
we are talking about statistics
lets take into account that less then 20% of Christians attend church services regularly
I am not trying to play the "no true Scotsman" game
but we CAN take that into account when looking at these numbers, right?
So you are fine with comparing "your" top 20% to "our" top 20%?
Or is your idea to compare your top 20% to our average joe?
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