Strange Stone in King Charles' Coronation. Is this Idolatry?

Psyco · May 7, 2023

I looked it up and it's call the stone of Destiny. Does the Church of England supports this?

PsaltiChrysostom · May 7, 2023

There are a lot of ancient practices that are incorporated into the coronation and have lost what ever meaning they had centuries ago.

The Stone of Destiny is an ancient symbol of Scotland’s monarchy, used for centuries in the inauguration of its kings. Seen as a sacred object, its earliest origins are now unknown.

In 1296, King Edward I of England seized the stone from the Scots, and had it built into a new throne at Westminster. From then on, it was used in the coronation ceremonies of the monarchs of England and then Great Britain.

Psyco · May 7, 2023

PsaltiChrysostom said:
The Stone of Destiny is an ancient symbol of Scotland’s monarchy, used for centuries in the inauguration of its kings. Seen as a sacred object, its earliest origins are now unknown.

In 1296, King Edward I of England seized the stone from the Scots, and had it built into a new throne at Westminster. From then on, it was used in the coronation ceremonies of the monarchs of England and then Great Britain.

If it had lost all meaning then, why is it still being used?

Psyco · May 7, 2023

It's really uncomfortable for me to watch

PsaltiChrysostom · May 7, 2023

Psyco said:
If it had lost all meaning then, why is it still being used?

It is symbolic that the King of England is also the King of Scotland. Maybe someone from the UK will see this thread and help explain it.

There is an old story about a woman who cuts off the ends of a ham before baking it. Her daughter asks why she does that. The mom says that her mother used to do it. So the daughter keeps her relatives why they do this. The answer is

The inquisitive little girl called her great grandmother and asked “Great grandma, mom and grandma said they learned how to cook a ham from watching you. Do you cut off the ends of the ham to help it soak up the juices?”

The great grandmother chuckled. “Oh, no sweetie. I just never had a pan big enough to hold a whole ham, so I always had to cut off the ends to make it fit.”

rebornfree · May 8, 2023

I'm a Brit and I see it as just tradition. I don't think anyone feels it has any significance other than symbolising that the monarch is also king of Scotland, as PsaltiChrysostom says. I think it would be offensive to the Scots not to use it.

Strong in Him · May 9, 2023

I'm a Brit too. I don't really know much about it, but it's also called the stone of Scone and featured in the inauguration of Scottish monarchs. It was apparently removed from Scotland by Edward I in 1296 and built into the throne at Westminster, and officially returned to Scotland in 1966. It only leaves Scotland when a monarch is crowned.

It's only idolatry if people worship it.

ozso · May 9, 2023

Isn't the Stone of Destiny what the new Indiana Jones movie is about? Oh wait that's the Dial of Destiny. Not to be confused with the Spear of Destiny.

dzheremi · May 9, 2023

I don't know what it means, but I like how it has its own little table. That's pretty fancy, for a big rock.

PsaltiChrysostom · May 9, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Isn't the Stone of Destiny what the new Indiana Jones movie is about? Oh wait that's the Dial of Destiny. Not to be confused with the Spear of Destiny.

You're thinking of Wolfenstein 3D: Spear of Destiny or The Librarian: The Quest for the Spear with Noah Wyle.

Hazelelponi · May 9, 2023

Psyco said:
It's really uncomfortable for me to watch

When something makes you uncomfortable, there is an off button, or a close button, turn it off or close the tab.

It's super easy.

That said, monarchy's that have existed for a thousand years have tradition's that are not built on the Christian faith.

People feel comfortable with their traditions and they like to keep them. It shows who they are as a people group, who they were.

I don't think traditions are always bad even if they aren't Christian traditions. Great Britain's monarchy is built as much on pagan things as it is on Christianity, because before they were Christian they were absolutely pagan.

They aren't painting themselves blue and running around half naked at the coronation as this people group once may have enjoyed, but they do have symbols from the past to represent the passage of time...

PsaltiChrysostom · May 9, 2023

Hazelelponi said:
They aren't painting themselves blue and running around half naked at the coronation as this people group once may have enjoyed, but they do have symbols from the past to represent the passage of time...

That would be a fantastic spectacle! I need a coronation now

Strong in Him · May 9, 2023

Hazelelponi said:
They aren't painting themselves blue

Red, white and blue - if you please!

ozso · May 9, 2023

PsaltiChrysostom said:
You're thinking of Wolfenstein 3D: Spear of Destiny or The Librarian: The Quest for the Spear with Noah Wyle.

Nope. Constantine with Keanu Reeves.

PsaltiChrysostom · May 9, 2023

Strong in Him said:
Red, white and blue - if you please!

Have fun storming the Capitol!

Benjamin Müller · May 9, 2023

There is some folklore behind the Stone of Scone. It was believed to have been Jacob's pillar stone [Genesis 28] And that the Prophet Jeremiah brought it with him to Ireland.

PsaltiChrysostom · May 9, 2023

Ordinary Christian said:
Nope. Constantine with Keanu Reeves.

Haven't seen it, any good?

ozso · May 9, 2023

PsaltiChrysostom said:
Haven't seen it, any good?

That's hard to call. For me personally as a Christian, I'd say both yes and no.

Strong in Him · May 9, 2023

PsaltiChrysostom said:
Have fun storming the Capitol!

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Wrong flag.

PsaltiChrysostom · May 9, 2023

Strong in Him said:
Wrong flag.

Have fun storming the Tower of London!

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