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Seaside Mists said:I didn't know that people were morally opposed to funding schools?What possible reason could people be opposed morally to funding schools?
Every person was also a sperm... and an egg. So what?Monica02 said:Every person walking around was an embryo.
Utter nonsense. I can't get a social security number for an embryo, we don't name embryos... they are simply not yet human beings.Human embryos are human beings.
You're right, embryos are not human beings completely separate of what the administration does. However, the point that human lives are so easily wasted in Iraq shows the hypocrisy of the "err on the side of life" nonsense.Bush, the Senate and House's decision to go to war with Iraq does not make an embryo not human.
No, it's not. You believe it's wrong. Seeing as you don't understand the difference between human and human being I can't give your opinion much weight.In some peoples eyes this might make Bush a hypocrite, but embryonic stem cell research is still wrong.
Except the US government is the single largest employer in the research area. They are the best equipped, most logical choice to continue this line of inquiry. But... please tell me... what will a drug company sell relating to stem cells? This is like the first heart transplant... nothing to sell after you do it. No reason for a drug company to get involved other than your ignorance of the subject.If embryonic stem cell research would yield lucrative cures for the pharmecutical industries then they would fund the research themseves, instead of expecting taxpayers to pay for it. Federal or state funding just will allow the drug companies to not pay for the research, and when it proves to be a dismal failure, they will be out less money.
Code-Monkey said:Why are folks so intent on having the federal government fund it?
The government is just the middle-man -- if you want to fund research, then you don't need the federal government.
hiumble1 said:The Latest CRAZE in Russia: injection of embryonic Stem Cells, quotes from people stating it makes their skin BABY SMOOTH.... so now women are falsely being told they must have abortion in order for DR. to make $ on the stem cells, women are being paid to have late term abortions (stem cells worth more $), the embryonic stem cell craze has put a price on the heads of innocent life (life which physically cannot defend itself).
monica02 said:If embryonic stem cell research would yield lucrative cures for the pharmecutical industries then they would fund the research themseves, instead of expecting taxpayers to pay for it. Federal or state funding just will allow the drug companies to not pay for the research, and when it proves to be a dismal failure, they will be out less money.
Sperm without an egg is not a human thats so what.Phred said:Every person was also a sperm... and an egg. So what?
Wrong My unborn son was named 12 weeks after he was concieved. So tell me again that we don't name embryos. They are human.Utter nonsense. I can't get a social security number for an embryo, we don't name embryos... they are simply not yet human beings.
Thats because you have a perverted views of what a human being is. If its not a human being then tell me please what is it?No it's not. You believe it's wrong. Seeing as you don't understand the difference between human and human being I can't give your opinion much weight.
Again, the difference between "human" and "human being" is something you "pro-life" folks don't seem to be able to grasp. An embryo is NOT a human being.cameronw said:Sperm without an egg is not a human thats so what.
They are human, they are not human beings. I don't really care if you name your unborn son or your toes. Neither one becomes a person just because you call it something. I can't insure an embryo, I can't get a social security number or claim it on my taxes. You can't formally name an embryo but you can call it whatever you wish. That's why we have "birth certificates" and celebrate "birth"days. Not conception certificates and "momanddaddiditday". People are different from embryos. You know it, I know it. You wouldn't even consider grabbing test tubes in a burning clinic over an already born child. Don't pretend otherwise.Wrong My unborn son was named 12 weeks after he was concieved. So tell me again that we don't name embryos. They are human.
Perverted? You really wanna talk about perverted? How about your belief that we're all fallen, horrible evil beings from birth? An embryo is a buncha cells that might, MIGHT, one day become a human being. Until it's born it is not a human being. Just because you can't figure out how to wedge a soul into it anytime after conception doesn't make it a human being.Thats because you have a perverted views of what a human being is. If its not a human being then tell me please what is it?
cameronw said:The U.S. Government gives subsidies to Drug companies for research
Sperm without an egg is not a human thats so what.
Wrong My unborn son was named 12 weeks after he was concieved. So tell me again that we don't name embryos. They are human.
Thats because you have a perverted views of what a human being is. If its not a human being then tell me please what is it?
-cw
I love how you use the term human and human being. I would say those two terms are one in the same. Something you pro abortion folks don't seem to grasp or just look the other way is that at conception the embryo is as much a human being as you and I are. The only difference is they are inside a woman's belly.Phred said:Again, the difference between "human" and "human being" is something you "pro-life" folks don't seem to be able to grasp. An embryo is NOT a human being.
They are human, they are not human beings. I don't really care if you name your unborn son or your toes. Neither one becomes a person just because you call it something. I can't insure an embryo, I can't get a social security number or claim it on my taxes. You can't formally name an embryo but you can call it whatever you wish. That's why we have "birth certificates" and celebrate "birth"days. Not conception certificates and "momanddaddiditday". People are different from embryos. You know it, I know it. You wouldn't even consider grabbing test tubes in a burning clinic over an already born child. Don't pretend otherwise.
Perverted? You really wanna talk about perverted? How about your belief that we're all fallen, horrible evil beings from birth? An embryo is a buncha cells that might, MIGHT, one day become a human being. Until it's born it is not a human being. Just because you can't figure out how to wedge a soul into it anytime after conception doesn't make it a human being..
cameronw said:Wrong My unborn son was named 12 weeks after he was concieved. So tell me again that we don't name embryos. They are human.
cameronw said:Something you pro abortion folks don't seem to grasp or just look the other way is that at conception the embryo is as much a human being as you and I are. The only difference is they are inside a woman's belly.
hiumble1 said:The Latest CRAZE in Russia: injection of embryonic Stem Cells, quotes from people stating it makes their skin BABY SMOOTH.... so now women are falsely being told they must have abortion in order for DR. to make $ on the stem cells, women are being paid to have late term abortions (stem cells worth more $), the embryonic stem cell craze has put a price on the heads of innocent life (life which physically cannot defend itself).
hiumble1 said:
There's a heavy demand in Russia for aborted and miscarried fetuses for stem-cell injection treatments designed as anti-aging therapies.
The treatments are the hottest thing among the Russian elite since Botox.
According to a report in the Scotsman, pharmaceutical magnate and former presidential candidate Vladimir Bryntsalov, 58, one of Russia's 27 billionaires, is already a firm believer in the experimental treatment that can cost as much as $9,000 per session. "I had lots of wrinkles on my face, but now the skin is as smooth as a baby's," he said. "I also had terrible scars on my body that were there since childhood, but they too have disappeared."
The fetal stem-cell therapy is not only being used to smooth out wrinkles, but also as a method of getting rid of cellulite and excess flab.
Russian law permits the extraction and storage of embryo stem cells, but does not specify what can be done with them. Some are questioning the legality as well as the ethics.
"We are talking about a huge, corrupt and dangerous trade in dubious therapies," said Professor Vladimir Smirnov, director of Moscow's Institute of Experimental Cardiology. "The authorities have never licensed any medical specialist to administer injections of stem cells. These methods are totally experimental and illegal."
Investigations are currently being carried out into an illegal baby trade that sees impoverished women from Russia and the surrounding countries selling their aborted fetuses for about $200.
The unborn babies are cryogenically frozen before being peddled for use in the rejuvenating skin treatments.
Some women, according to a report in the London Observer, are being paid extra for having their abortions late term, producing more valuable dead babies.
"Doctors tell the women or girls that there is a problem with their pregnancy and that the baby has to be aborted, or else they are offered more money," said Ukrainian investigator Sergei Shorobogatko.
The trade in dead babies came to light when border guards stopped a train entering Russia from Ukraine in April and arrested a man involved in smuggling 25 frozen remains in two vacuum flasks. It seems Ukrainian law permits aborted humans to be passed to research institutes if the woman consents and her anonymity is protected. But police investigators found the staff at government health facilities are selling them to private clinics offering illegal therapies.
Aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, another billionaire and the third richest on Forbes list of wealthy Russians, has already invested more than $150,000 in the Institute of Physical and Chemical Biology at Moscow State University.
Professor Vladimir Skulachev, the institute director and a full member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, seems to think he has discovered the fountain of youth. "Aging is a biological program where oxygen is the main killer of cells," he says. "We believe that any program can be turned off."
worldnetdaily.com
Every person was also a sperm... and an egg. So what?
Utter nonsense. I can't get a social security number for an embryo, we don't name embryos... they are simply not yet human beings.
You're right, embryos are not human beings completely separate of what the administration does. However, the point that human lives are so easily wasted in Iraq shows the hypocrisy of the "err on the side of life" nonsense.
No, it's not. You believe it's wrong. Seeing as you don't understand the difference between human and human being I can't give your opinion much weight.
Except the US government is the single largest employer in the research area. They are the best equipped, most logical choice to continue this line of inquiry. But... please tell me... what will a drug company sell relating to stem cells? This is like the first heart transplant... nothing to sell after you do it. No reason for a drug company to get involved other than your ignorance of the subject.
Monica02 said:]
It is not only my opinion - it is the teaching of the Church and therefore the teaching of God.
I've read the Bible, and I don't remember the part where God said stem cell research is bad.
Be careful that in your unquenching desire to follow and please God, you don't take the word of men instead of God in an effort to please Him.[/
Monica02 said:]
That would be because stem cell research is not mentioned in the Bible. The Church has said that embryonic stem cell research is wrong. The Church contains the fullness of the Truth and the Bible is but one part of this Truth. The Church does have the authority to define Dogma. Any good Cahtolic should know this.
Oh - I know who to listen to.
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