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The lds church says the same thing. And I choose not to believe either assertion.
I would reject the LDS' claim too . . they have no way to show any connection between them and the apostolic faith . . there is no direct line of succession of Apostle to Bishop to Bishop to Bishop to Bishop and so forth through the centuries to allow for such a transmision of faith to occur for almost 2000 years.. . . They just popped up out of nowhere less than 200 years ago.The lds church says the same thing. And I choose not to believe either assertion.
Finally you have explained it broken down simpler for me to understand...Now i see where your coming from and why you choose to believe that way...pax...kim
This is a complete misrepresentation of what I said. I said if you feel the thread will be a harrowing experience, then you are free to ignore it. What you are suggesting seems awfully paranoid, seeing as I opened the discussion to everyone. If I didn't want the RCC opinion, wouldn't I post somewhere where they could not disagree?That doesn't answer my question UB . . you say you aren't trying to silence us .. .. but when we tell you our concerns, you say basically to stay out of your threads, if we don't like it, tough cookies . . . . .
That, in my book, is an attempt to silence us on these matters. . . . .
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yes, and that is wrong.UB, come now . . not a single Catholic has made that claim!
Who is complaining about disagreement?
NO ONE!
What is being brought to your attention are accusations of idolatry, etc . . . .
That is much different than simply disagreeing . . .
that's right.Except history shows that the Mormons are a modern offshoot of the Protestants. They have no Apostolic history.
And I do and I take it on the chin much of the time for doing it.no, you SHOULD stand up for what you believe in....
But yet the Catholic Church hasn't and it's been lasting since 33 AD. Odd isn't it? what other organization/monarchy/institution of any kind has ever lasted for 2000 consecutive years? I tell you, none but the Catholic Church, why? because it's a divine institution established by God himself.Church won't disappear as long as the "spiritual Church" is around which of course believers (or Christians). Local Churches may disappear due to lack of joy and commitment to the Lord. Or, they are not real believers.
I know there are good, holy, Protestants out there who put me to shame. In the end, what will my fullness of truth get me if I have not love?I completely agree . . .
HD . . . . I was just thinking . . .
There are phrases both Catholics and Protestants use . . but because of differences in perspective, they don't have the same meaning. And because of this, when one uses the term they way they use it, it can be misunderstood by the other and it can even seem offensive.
You have the Fulness of Truth HD . . .
The Fulness of Truth is a PERSON . . and His name is Jesus.
When we use the term 'fulness of truth" we are not talking about a person, but rather the full deposit of faith given by the apostles, the doctrines of the Christian faith.
That does not mean that Catholics personally have more of Jesus than Protestants do . . . That is a personal issue between each of us and God . . . Whether one is Catholic or Protestant makes no difference.
When we say we have the fullness of truth, all we are saying is that we believe that we have kept to the full deposit of faith given by the Apostles and that protestants have let some of those teachings go . . .
That doesn't mean that Protestants don't have Jesus who is the Fulness of Truth Himself.. . . it only has to do with understanding . . . . not with possession of Christ.
Never should the Catholic statement that we have the fulness of truth be construed in such a way to mean that no one but Catholics have Christ who is the Fulness of Truth Himself. . ...
Does that make sense?
HD . . you have Christ, who is the Fulness of Truth Himself.
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as do we all.And I do and I take it on the chin much of the time for doing it.
I know there are good, holy, Protestants out there who put me to shame. In the end, what will my fullness of truth get me if I have not love?
We are talking about two different things, fullness of divine revelation and fullness of God in your heart.
no, I don't. And for 99% of the Marian statuettes I see, I don't see anything wrong with them. (despite the fact that I doubt I'd ever own one.)Uphill battle, back to the start of this thread, you ever check out a real Catholic bookstore or something of that nature, I would hate for you to think that shop in the mall was the norm when it came to this kind of thing
I'm not ignoring those who say things about us, or what we believe that isn't true, uphill.
I'm not gong to ignore posts that basically say we're lying when we correct the misrepresentations. I do however try my best to ignore the personal jabs taken at me but I'm not always successful. I am human after all. Cut me and I do bleed.
But there is something called passive agressive too, where threads are opened all sweet and nice with a disclaimer that they are not here to debate etc... knowing all the while what kind of attention their thread is going to receive. You aren't the only one who opens threads like that. Catholic do it to Protestants also.
I know you keep saying why you don't want to post in OBOB and I can not disagree with you, I don't go in there hardly ever myself because they can be unreasonable but if all you wanted was a answer to what you asked, then you should have asked in OBOB. I'm sorry but that was a train wreck waiting to happen.
If you wanted to be able to disagree with the answer given and debate about it, then I have to ask, why were you anticipating that you were going to be disagreeing with us?
You could have asked in OBOB, like you said, got our answer with a pat on the head and then, if you really disagreed that badly, you could have then opened the thread here but in a different way.
The way you opened just looks like a set up to us. I'm sorry if that's not the case but you should have known...
no, I don't. And for 99% of the Marian statuettes I see, I don't see anything wrong with them. (despite the fact that I doubt I'd ever own one.)
I was merely questioning the theological difficulties I saw in a few pieces.
This is the quagmire we get, though.
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