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mont974x4

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and who gets to decided that, Mont? You...?
yep, I'm my own pope, don't ya know?


Of course, that's what many rc's here have claimed we protestants beleive, but it isn't true.


The Bible is the authoritative text and the Holy Spirit is within every saint to teach him or her.




We don't agree with everything and like everything another beliver does, but we must recognize them as brothers and sisters and their God given sainthood.
 
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It is to show, like Luther, he viewed it as necessary.

It is necessary. It is necessary because God commanded that His people be baptized and the children of believers are part of that covenant community and, as such, should share in the pracitices of the covenant community.


Apparently, you're just flapping your jaws without knowing whether we agree with infant baptism.
 
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LOL! Because you haven't heard the word paedobaptism means that it is a "made up reformed word?" You've got issues.
 
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So Mont, you still want to "honor" him now? He believed and taught FROM SCRIPTURE the exact opposite of what you believe the bible teaches about baptism...

Care to explain to me how you bible only's can come up with so many contrasting interpretations?
 
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LOL! Because you haven't heard the word paedobaptism means that it is a "made up reformed word?" You've got issues.

Oh so now I have issues...? And you say you don't believe that you personal insult me? Are you implying I'm crazy? Don't do it again, please.

and that word is not in scripture... so I have to dismiss it, sorry. I'm a bible believing Christian.
 
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oh no a point of disagreement?! Whatever shall we do?! Blindly follow traditions?


They don't limit the power and working of the Holy Spirit in us. They don't negate our salvation/sainthood.
 
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It is necessary because it incorporates you into the new covenant, thus it saves... Calvin as did Luther recognized that baptism is regenerational.

and that last paragraph I cited was very well written, it is almost the same point I argue on here daily almost.. that in Acts the apostles were dealing with grown Christian converts, of course they needed to 'believe' first in order to receive baptism. You can't force it on a person who is grown.

I'm glad to know that even Calvin recognized that there was no dicthomy, babies are not held to that same standard that they have to "believe" in order to be baptised.

They can freely receive the gift since it's a gift and we can't earn it with "belief" anyway.

And I am glad to see that your view as changed because I remember vividly how you criticize Catholics for baptising babies.
 
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oh no a point of disagreement?! Whatever shall we do?! Blindly follow traditions?


They don't limit the power and working of the Holy Spirit in us. They don't negate our salvation/sainthood.
got scripture to support that opinion Mont?
 
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It is necessary because it incorporates you into the new covenant, thus it saves... Calvin as did Luther recognized that baptism is regenerational.
The Saints were wrong in this case!
 
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It is necessary because it incorporates you into the new covenant, thus it saves... Calvin as did Luther recognized that baptism is regenerational.

Calvin believed no such thing. Calvin understood the covenantal relationship of baptism. He did not, however, contend that it was regenerational.

And I am glad to see that your view as changed because I remember vividly how you criticize Catholics for baptising babies.

Michelle, please cite evidence of what you here accuse me of or remove it. You have proven that you care not whether you bear false witness against others but, at least your blind aspersions will not go unchallanged.
 
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So why would you listen to people who believed or taught wrong things?

Why do you listen to people who believe and teach wrong things? Or is it that you think those who profess the views which you hold to be true are incapable of believing or teaching wrong things?
 
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Oh so now I have issues...? And you say you don't believe that you personal insult me? Are you implying I'm crazy? Don't do it again, please.

Wow. You sure are quick to jump to the assumption that I'm implying you're crazy even though I've never implied any such thing. Maybe it's your own conscience making you feel that such a thing is likely.
 
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got scripture to support that opinion Mont?
yep, and it's been posted more than afew times. DO a search yourself, there's verses that say we all get the Holy Spirit as a teacher.
 
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yep, and it's been posted more than afew times. DO a search yourself, there's verses that say we all get the Holy Spirit as a teacher.
and that is why we all believe differently, in practice sola scripture just doesn't work.

The bible does not ever say that the Holy Spirit will teach us the true and correct bible interpretations, Mont.

The bible says Christ promised that His Spirit will lead and guide His Church in and to all truth. The bible says that the Church is the bulwark of truth, not the scriptures. And the bible never goes on to say that *we* are the Church but that we are the body of Christ who is the Church. He is the head and we are the members, not the whole enchilada. We submit to the Church, not to what *we* say is in the bible.
 
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Wow. You sure are quick to jump to the assumption that I'm implying you're crazy even though I've never implied any such thing. Maybe it's your own conscience making you feel that such a thing is likely.
Then please define what you mean when you say I have "issues?"
 
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