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Speaking in tongues is not a learned second or even third language. It is unknown to the speaker, and to the hearers, except supernaturally interpreted.
Acts 2 has the beginning of the call into the nations and there around where the Upper Room was, was people from many nations. So, the Spirit moved those that where there, they spoken in foreign languages and we know this because the foreigners who were there heard in their own languages. A miracle, no doubt.... but not a sign that everyone who comes in faith will speak in other or unknown languages."God is not the author of confusion" -- a verse much bandied about, and agreed upon by all, I guess.
Something happened in Acts ch 2 -- many onlookers thought it was the result of the believers being drunk (which was not true, it just looked that way) -- but the point is; GOD WAS THE AUTHOR of what happened at Pentecost.
Are we agreed on THAT at least?
I want to know if anyone here thinks God was NOT the author of what happened in Acts 2, for it seems some are saying that God is NOT the author of similar things that may be happening yet today.
Absolutely !!!
Receive the Holy Ghost and the immediate outward evidence speaking in tongues as the spirit gives direct undefileable contact with GOD !
Just as in the beginning ..Acts 2v4.. included Mary the mother of Jesus....
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (MUST)
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth....according to the word, to pray in the Spirit :
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
the first 2 is your part...the third is Gods seal of approval !
Holy Ghost + speaking in tongues .. no tongues no Spirit..
Ro 8:9 .............Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Not to be confused with the demonstration IN THE CHURCH (max 3) to show you are who you say you are !!
when you pray..go to your closet, private place and pray...
confess Jesus Christ..his way...
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
package deal
obtain the Grace,Mercy and Faith that Jesus Christ has made avaliable to whomsoever will..
or have the adversaries religious confusion..just words no power !
not a sign that everyone who comes in faith will speak in other or unknown languages.
If it is unknown to you, then what is the point? You are saying things to God that only He understands that is really being spoken by the Spirit (which is God) through you so in actuality God is speaking to Himself through you? What is the point?
The only "speaking on tongues" was during Pentecost
The only "speaking on tongues" was during Pentecost, when the Apostles could communicate with everyone in their own language. "Praying in tongues" as in just random gibberish that comes to you is the opposite and simply that, random gibberish.
Please do not use derogatory slurs against a gift of God. You may presently be ignorant that the "G" word is offensive, but now you know.
Thanks for the correction—I never thought of "gibberish" as offensive, but if it is I apologize for its misuse. I thought that the only "speaking in tongues" though just meant uniting all the languages.
I saw that you see speaking in tongues as only being on the Day of Pentecost. Why? No where is it explained as such in scripture. You may not recognize it but if you re-read Acts 2 carefully, you will see that the devout Jews each HEARD THEM (all of them) speaking their own language. That means their hearing was supernatural, not natural as many teach erroneously. Only the mockers did not receive this supernatural hearing, or interpretation, and claimed they were drunk.
Ohh, okay. I didn't know that it happened at times other than Pentecost What I more meant though was that people think "praying in tongues" means speaking in some sort of language than seems unkown to people, when as shown in both Pentecost and Acts it was in a way the opposite, able to be granted by God to understand each language.
As I have posted before in this thread, I don't see any tongues-affirming posters in this thread declaring that Tongues MUST accompany the salvation experience -- just that they CAN and DO -- that is NOT a MANDATE that Tongues are essential; everyone is aware that Paul wrote "do all speak with tongues?" and we take it as a rhetorical question with an assumed NO answer.
Receive the Holy Ghost and the immediate outward evidence speaking in tongues
I said no such thing. Being baptized into the Spirit means being dead to sin. I've even written a book on tongues, not only to those who don't believe in tongues, but to those who say you MUST speak in tongues. You don't HAVE TO. But that doesn't mean you don't have the ability. You just don't know it, or care to use it. Every Christian can pray in tongues, but not every Christian receives a message in tongues from God that must be supernaturally interpreted. Thus, do all speak in tongues, do all interpret? No. Praying in tongues is similar, but the direction is TO God, not FROM God.
Mark 16:17 TO God. All who believe and are baptized, though you may receive the sign first, then follow in obedience to be baptized.
1 Cor. 12 FROM God. Like an office in the church. Not given to everyone, anymore than all are apostles
Hi Ken, Let me explain why I believe the prayer and praise language is a "sign," and more importantly when it comes to praying or praising in tongues, what type of sign. Not only does Mark 16:17 call it a sign as well as the others mentioned, but because it does not require the supernatural interpretation of tongues, (though interpretation of tongues can, at time, be allowed to interpret them as on the Day of Pentecost which the devout Jews received, and the mockers didn't IMO), if all speak in these uninterpreted tongues in a church service, and an uninformed or unsaved person comes in they will think everyone has gone mad (or mock as on the DofP when they thought the 120 were drunk).
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