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There are not 2 separate kinds of tongues - a gift and a sign.
The sign of tongues in Mark 16, along with the sign of miracles (such as picking up deadly snakes), driving out demons, and healing people, was a sign to authenticate the early believers and their message in their missionary endevours. Carry on reading the next couple of verses of Mark 16...
Mark 16:20 "Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it."
All those abilities were miraculous powers given to the early believers as confirming signs to others. They would 'wow' others and cause them to recognize that God was indeed with them, and so pay attention to the message they brought. Just as the tongues at Pentecost did. The other tongues in Acts has a similar confirming function - they caused the apostles to recognize that whole new groups of people were also genuine believers and should be accepted into the church.
This ability to perform miraculous signs was given by the Holy Spirit (Rom 15:19, Heb 2:4). It is therefore a gift of the Spirit - the same gift of tongues, miracles and healing as mentioned in 1 Cor 12.
The list of abilities in Mark 16:17 were not given to all believers. Although it happened in the first century, such miracles as picking up deadly snakes and drinking poison without harm are clearly not given to everyone today. Such confirming signs were only for the foundation of the church.
That is the sign giving function of tongues. Tongues spoken in private is not a sign to anyone. In fact private tongues is completely unbiblical. Nowhere in scripture does it advocate speaking in tongues in private. That would be an abuse of a spiritual gift which should only to be used for the benefit of others (1 Cor 12:7, 1 Peter 4:10).
The was also a secondary function of tongues of course when it was spoken in church meetings - to edify others (1 Cor 14) provided it was translated in the assembly.
Charismatics have already invented a new type of tongues, the 'heavenly' tongue to compliment the foreign tongues spoken in Acts which they clearly do not have. Now we have a further subdivision making 4 types of tongues. How many more types of tongues will have to be invented to order to try to get their preconceived ideas and experiences to align with scripture?
A couple more questions..
I take it by this understanding of Mark 16, if there is a sign and a gift of tongues, there must also be 2 types of healing - the sign of healing and the gift of healing and 2 types of miracles the sign of miracles and the gift of miracles. Perhaps you could tell us what the difference between those are?
If Corinthian tongues is the GIFT of tongues, how come 1 Cor 14:2 says tongues were spoken TO God?
If Corinthian tongues is the GIFT of tongues, how comes 1 Cor 14:14 says "if I pray in a tongue"? According to you isn't praying in tongues the SIGN of tongues?
Isn't the 'gift' of tongues in 1 Cor 14:22 also described as a 'sign'?
Sorry but, but like the miracle of hearing at Pentecost theory, there are just too many holes in this idea.
OK, start picking up snakes and drink a glass of poison.Oh Boy...why call me Lord Lord and do not the things I say !
OK, start picking up snakes and drink a glass of poison.
I'm not sure how my quoting of Holy Scriptures and concluding that the "works of God" relate to the Gospel immediately mentioned after by Peter, somehow is mocking?So are you a believer, or a mocker? The choice is yours.
The Lord didn't command us to pick up snakes and drink glasses of poison.OK, start picking up snakes and drink a glass of poison.
The wonderful works of God are what He did in and by Jesus Christ. The wonderful thing, the good news, that the Messiah had come, He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, was dead and buried, but on the third day rose again, that He ascended into the heavens, sits at the right hand of the Father, and will come again in glory on the Last Day.
-CryptoLutheran
No I was clearly pointing out that Peter preached the Gospel in both chapter 2 and chapter 3.He referenced the chapter 3 works and events as being pointed to in the chapter 2 discourse - not any other works and events.
Of course everything that the Lord does is wonderful. But that's not the point I was referring to.
Whatever!No I was clearly pointing out that Peter preached the Gospel in both chapter 2 and chapter 3.
The wonderful works of God is the Gospel. The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus Christ.
John 15: NKJV
26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
Hope you bought liability insurance.OK, start picking up snakes and drink a glass of poison.
:'( Sorry & Thanks, you are Correct but Honestly,I Thought for Some Reason I was Asked to Quote Acts 38 I Simply Meant there is No Chapter 38 in Acts; Please Forgive my Confusion?look for the word gift in Acts and it is dorea. look for the word gift in 1 corinthians 12-14 and it is charisma. If you want examples Acts 2:38 and 1 Cor 12:4.
Marvin perhaps some have been harsh here but want to make sure you are not referring to me. 1 Corinthians makes it clear tongues is a gift. I'm not a cessationist. My line of questioning and exegesis is to point out Acts 2 is being stretched and wrested to shoehorn a theology that is not apparent in the text."Forbid not the speaking of tongues" seems to be an appropriate admonition for some here.
God will correct in time if it is appropriate .
In the mean time - you may be causing others to stumble by undermining their faith in such matters.
Marvin thank you for the discussion and may the Grace and Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon you.Whatever!
Reference number 275 etc.
Hi Rebecca, which post are you referring to?:'( Sorry redleghunter,
Look Again I Believe you Undoubtedly Placed the Wrong Scripture Here; There is No
Acts 2:38 but 1 Corinthians 12:14 For the body is not one member, but, many.
love & prayers ;-) Rebecca
Another Day Closer To Heaven
look for the word gift in Acts and it is dorea. look for the word gift in 1 corinthians 12-14 and it is charisma. If you want examples Acts 2:38 and 1 Cor 12:4.
Look Again I Believe you Undoubtedly Placed the Wrong Scripture Here; There is No
Acts 2:38 but 1 Corinthians 12:14 For the body is not one member, but, many.
love & prayers ;-) Rebecca
Another Day Closer To Heaven
"Forbid not the speaking of tongues" seems to be an appropriate admonition for some here.
And yes they confirmed Mark 16:15-18 and especiallyAnd what did Peter and John end up doing that day? They preached the Gospel after healing a man:
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