Sources: Coronavirus pandemic may have started in Chinese laboratory

Aussie Pete · Apr 15, 2020

ewq1938 said:

Then again, probably not. China is suffering greatly as well.

ewq1938 · Apr 15, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Then again, probably not. China is suffering greatly as well.

That doesn't mean it didn't originate from a Chinese lab.

redleghunter · Apr 15, 2020

ewq1938 said:
That doesn't mean it didn't originate from a Chinese lab.

Amazing isn’t. Weeks ago and early on if someone even suggested this they were considered a moonbat.

ewq1938 · Apr 15, 2020

redleghunter said:
Amazing isn’t. Weeks ago and early on if someone even suggested this they were considered a moonbat.

Only because the news was force feeding us the whole bat soup/wet market cover story.

Aussie Pete · Apr 15, 2020

ewq1938 said:
That doesn't mean it didn't originate from a Chinese lab.

Speculation is not evidence, let alone proof. Christians should know better. Slanderous accusations do not honour God.

redleghunter · Apr 15, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Speculation is not evidence, let alone proof. Christians should know better. Slanderous accusations do not honour God.

I think we have moved from speculation to hypothesis.

Aussie Pete · Apr 16, 2020

redleghunter said:
I think we have moved from speculation to hypothesis.

It's still ungodly to repeat accusations without any basis. This has consequences. Some people will use this "hypothesis" to abuse Chinese people - as is happening already. Transmission of viruses from animals to humans is well known - HIV and Hendra, for example. How about proving that COVID-19 is not transmitted by animals before deciding that it is biological warfare.

ewq1938 · Apr 16, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Speculation is not evidence, let alone proof. Christians should know better. Slanderous accusations do not honour God.

Are you accusing me of making slanderous accusations?

Tom 1 · Apr 16, 2020

ewq1938 said:
Only because the news was force feeding us the whole bat soup/wet market cover story.

Where do you get that from? The news coverage has passed that on as one possibility that, as covered in the news, is almost certainly not the case (as reported in the news). If you actually read the news you'll find that the coverage is broad, and if you think you are being force-fed by not reading it, well, that's kind of a strange idea. It's interesting that, having not read the press you are criticising but being ready to accuse them of 'force-feeding' a simplistic idea (which they didn't) you are fully prepared to latch onto another one, because it comes from a different source.

redleghunter · Apr 16, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
It's still ungodly to repeat accusations without any basis. This has consequences. Some people will use this "hypothesis" to abuse Chinese people - as is happening already. Transmission of viruses from animals to humans is well known - HIV and Hendra, for example. How about proving that COVID-19 is not transmitted by animals before deciding that it is biological warfare.

No it is not slanderous nor ungodly. What the CCP did was ungodly by hiding information.

Attempting to investigate and provide information on causes of the virus when the epidemic center nation refuses to share information is not ungodly. It’s a search for facts and truth.

ewq1938 · Apr 16, 2020

Tom 1 said:
Where do you get that from?

I got it from the news...all the majors ones. They pushed this at first but the story started to fall apart with leaks coming out of China.

having not read the press

Don't tell me what I haven't read.

Tom 1 · Apr 16, 2020

ewq1938 said:
They pushed this at first but the story started to fall apart with leaks coming out of China.

? Like what. I read the news daily and I haven't come across any article 'pushing' that idea. Can you list some examples of where you read that?

ewq1938 · Apr 16, 2020

Tom 1 said:
? Like what. I read the news daily and I haven't come across any article 'pushing' that idea.

I don't know what news you had access to but the news I read was all about bats from a wet market at first.

I'll list two articles from months ago:

January 31, 2020:

"Why They're Called 'Wet Markets' — And What Health Risks They Might Pose"

Why They're Called 'Wet Markets' — And What Health Risks They Might Pose

February 7, 2020:

"Scientists believe coronavirus originated in wild animal markets — and they want the Chinese government to shut them down"

Scientists believe coronavirus originated in wild animal markets — and they want the Chinese government to shut them down

Fast forward to April 2020 and bats and wet markets aren't being blamed as the source of the virus anymore.

Apr 14, 2020:

"China Lab In Focus Of Coronavirus Outbreak"

China Lab In Focus Of Coronavirus Outbreak

Tom 1 · Apr 16, 2020

ewq1938 said:
I got it from the news...all the majors ones. They pushed this at first but the story started to fall apart with leaks coming out of China.

Don't tell me what I haven't read.

Here are some articles from the 'MSM' from January until today on theories about possible sources of the virus. As you can see, medical experts have revised their views as more data has come to light, and, as you would expect, the reports discuss 'possible' and 'provisional' ideas as they developed over time, making comparisons with previous outbreaks and so on to provide broad coverage of theories being put forward. What are they 'force-feeding' you? What ideas are they 'pushing'?

China’s Omnivorous Markets Are in the Eye of a Lethal Outbreak Once Again

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ly-allowed-coronavirus-spread-farther-faster/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/02/18/how-coronavirus-is-worsening-us-china-tensions/

From Bats to Human Lungs, the Evolution of a Coronavirus

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...take-theories-about-outbreaks-chinese-origin/

Trump Says U.S. Investigating Whether Virus Came From Wuhan Lab

Tom 1 · Apr 16, 2020

ewq1938 said:
Fast forward to April 2020 and bats and wet markets aren't being blamed as the source of the virus anymore.

You honestly don't see any problem with this argument? Researchers into this phenomenon, as with SARs and other, earlier, corona viruses they were/are investigating the usual suspects. As that investigation has progressed, new possibilities have arisen and are being investigated also. This relates the passage of time to people doing things. How on earth do you get from that to ideas about being 'force fed' and have some agenda 'pushed' at you?

From the first article you quoted in Feb:

'A "wet market" in Wuhan, China, is catching the blame as the probable source of the current coronavirus outbreak that's sweeping the globe.

Patients who came down with disease at the end of December all had connections to the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan China. The complex of stalls selling live fish, meat and wild animals is known in the region as a "wet market." Researchers believe the new virus probably mutated from a coronavirus common in animals and jumped over to humans in the Wuhan bazaar.'

Force fed? Pushing an agenda?

?

Tom 1 · Apr 16, 2020

ewq1938 said:
Fast forward to April 2020 and bats and wet markets aren't being blamed as the source of the virus anymore.

Bats are still seen as a possible link between humans and other mammals in the initial transmission of the virus.

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