Sola Scripturists guide on the authority of the Bible

heymikey80 · Mar 25, 2011

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. 1 Tim 3:16-17

Nobody's said we can't converse as fallen creatures redeemed by Christ. But those words are -- according to Paul -- qualitatively different from all Scripture. Sola Scriptura is the doctrine that all doctrine be referred back to this qualitatively-different communication. You know -- for reproof, for correction ....

Philothei · Mar 25, 2011

Standing Up said:
So much for that.

PS. I thought that was pretty much what Irenaeus said.---scripture only and tradition-tied-to apostles. Tertullian---no apostolic succession only by laying on of hands, but because the same faith is preached; that is apostolic.

So... Ireneaus was "apostolic" and Igantius was not? What about St. Athanasius? They all shared one faith and all are apostolic in their theology. Scholars who do put their language to test do testify that there is a "common thread" ....but ah....wow behod we call this the bad...word

"T"radition

I think the hype of it is worse... than its sting here

Also guess what?? if the Bishops/Metropolitans do not line up to that ... They are indeed deposed...!!! There are canons that safeguard this... You either proclaim the Apostolic Tradition of you are out

If you wanted to add anything in the tradition EO has done theology all these centuries... Let's put it this way....You would not last

Tradition proclaims the eternal Truths of the Logos of God as they manifest themselves throught history... Nothing taken away nothing added!!

Dorothea · Mar 25, 2011

Philothei said:
So... Ireneaus was "apostolic" and Igantius was not? What about St. Athanasius? They all shared one faith and all are apostolic in their theology. Scholars who do put their language to test do testify that there is a "common thread" ....but ah....wow behod we call this the bad...word "T"radition

I think the hype of it is worse... than its sting here

Also guess what?? if the Bishops/Metropolitans do not line up to that ... They are indeed deposed...!!! There are canons that safeguard this... You either proclaim the Apostolic Tradition of you are out

If you wanted to add anything in the tradition EO has done theology all these centuries... Let's put it this way....You would not last
Tradition proclaims the eternal Truths of the Logos of God as they manifest themselves throught history... Nothing taken away nothing added!!

Just remembered I'd written this down that Fr. David said on Tradition:

"Tradition is the record of living out the revelation of God by His people."

Standing Up · Mar 25, 2011

Philothei said:
So... Ireneaus was "apostolic" and Igantius was not? What about St. Athanasius? They all shared one faith and all are apostolic in their theology. Scholars who do put their language to test do testify that there is a "common thread" ....but ah....wow behod we call this the bad...word "T"radition

I think the hype of it is worse... than its sting here

Also guess what?? if the Bishops/Metropolitans do not line up to that ... They are indeed deposed...!!! There are canons that safeguard this... You either proclaim the Apostolic Tradition of you are out

If you wanted to add anything in the tradition EO has done theology all these centuries... Let's put it this way....You would not last
Tradition proclaims the eternal Truths of the Logos of God as they manifest themselves throught history... Nothing taken away nothing added!!

All of them may or may not have been precisely apostolic. The question is how do we know it? To what rule of faith/practice will we look?

I have no problem agreeing with Irenaeus who says (paraphrased), rule of faith is scripture, and tradition is okay IF it ties to an apostle. Some totally reject Tradition as meaningful in any way. But we've gone over enough Tradition to know whether certain things truly ties to an apostle or not. The fact that a Tradition first surfaces in 250ad or develops differently from what scripture says is NOT sufficient evidence for any one, then or now, to blindly accept it as apostolic.

Thekla · Mar 25, 2011

Standing Up said:
Not quite sure what to make of him. He makes what to me are some interesting comments as regards the death, burial, and resurrection times.

Wasn't he also one who put together a list of OT and NT scripture?

What do you think?

I think he wrote about a great deal more than created time

(And the list of NT books he advised others to read is the same as the NT iirc.)

Thekla · Mar 25, 2011

It seems to me based on these SS discussions (again, I may be wrong), but it seems that many Sola Scriptura adherents have retained the legalistic mindset (apologies to RCs here) that is to some extent identified with RCatholicism. It seems to be an "inherited" mindset ...

ivebeenshown · Mar 25, 2011

laconicstudent said:
I've always liked the coptic icon of St. Athanasius.

Exceptional artwork...

As you can see, Arius is also pictured.

The way this read made me lol.

sunlover1 · Mar 25, 2011

Standing Up said:
What she said, except for the blond hair part, more like gray

LOL...
Gray is close to blond though
Gray hair is a crown of splendor; it is attained by a righteous life.

Bible doesnt even mention blond!

Philothei said:
God talks through people...

Amen.

He talks through you.

He has.

You are a person you can be wrong just like I can be wrong...

We are SO in agreement!

So why reject their opinion over yours? Or over mine or over the Pope's?

Have you thought this one through?
Of course we each choose our own opinion.
Even choosing the popes is ultimately choosing
our own. Why choose the popes ? You don't!

We all have voices that we speak through the Bible....We do not quote the Bible 100% even when we do theological convo KWIM? So what makes the collective consience of let's say the first ecumenical council more valid (the one that ratified the Bible) more valid than the ones following it?

Nothing... imo.

Where does it say in the Bible that there will be a council and I(God ) through certain men will give you the Bible... and it will be the ONLY book you will ever need in your Christian Faith and ALL you need is that single Book....?

Nowhere! (that i am aware of)

Not sure exactly why we're talking like this but
it's cool for sure.

You didn't have to eat fish today didja?
(I had walleye! lol)

sunlover1 · Mar 25, 2011

Thekla said:
It seems to me based on these SS discussions (again, I may be wrong), but it seems that many Sola Scriptura adherents have retained the legalistic mindset (apologies to RCs here) that is to some extent identified with RCatholicism. It seems to be an "inherited" mindset ...

LOL.
Well then.
Why might that be?

Dorothea · Mar 25, 2011

Thekla said:
It seems to me based on these SS discussions (again, I may be wrong), but it seems that many Sola Scriptura adherents have retained the legalistic mindset (apologies to RCs here) that is to some extent identified with RCatholicism. It seems to be an "inherited" mindset ...

Seems obvious to me.

Thekla · Mar 25, 2011

sunlover1 said:
LOL.
Well then.
Why might that be?

I don't know - just an observation.

sunlover1 · Mar 25, 2011

Thekla said:
I don't know - just an observation.

You accuse us of being having a "legalistic mindset" so certainly
you alone know what you mean by that.

I am curious to know.

Also, what do you mean when you refer to the RCC legalistic mindset?

Philothei · Mar 26, 2011

You didn't have to eat fish today didja?
(I had walleye! lol)

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Yeah I could eat fish as that is "tradition!!!!" *reminds me of the fidler of the roof!!!

YouTube - Fiddler on the roof - Tradition ( with subtitles )

They do point to God it is obviously not a bad thingy

Standing Up · Mar 26, 2011

Thekla said:
I think he wrote about a great deal more than created time

(And the list of NT books he advised others to read is the same as the NT iirc.)

We agree on his NT, but not exactly on the OT, eh? Hmmm, but why toss that OT tradition? He got the NT tradition right, why do we not also agree on his OT? Is there an earlier OT tradition? What was it?

sunlover1 · Mar 26, 2011

Yeah I could eat fish as that is "tradition!!!!" *reminds me of the fidler of the roof!!!

YouTube - Fiddler on the roof - Tradition ( with subtitles )

They do point to God it is obviously not a bad thingy

LOL
May God bless and keep the Tzar..

laconicstudent · Mar 26, 2011

sunlover1 said:
LOL
May God bless and keep the Tzar..

YouTube - God Save The Tsar (Imperial Russian Anthem)

Rick Otto · Mar 26, 2011

Originally Posted by Thekla

It seems to me based on these SS discussions (again, I may be wrong), but it seems that many Sola Scriptura adherents have retained the legalistic mindset (apologies to RCs here) that is to some extent identified with RCatholicism. It seems to be an "inherited" mindset ...

Dorothea said:
Seems obvious to me.

All right, break it up, ladies.
You are more in bed with the pope than we are. Soteriology, sacramentology, funny hats,... it's mainstream orthodoxy stylin'.
We don' play dat. No triflin' he-uh.

Nothin' to see here, people. Move along...

Rick Otto · Mar 26, 2011

sunlover1 said:
You accuse us of being having a "legalistic mindset" so certainly you alone know what you mean by that. I am curious to know. Also, what do you mean when you refer to the RCC legalistic mindset

It must mean our arguments are "arresting".

Ortho_Cat · Mar 26, 2011

Rick Otto said:
Originally Posted by Thekla

It seems to me based on these SS discussions (again, I may be wrong), but it seems that many Sola Scriptura adherents have retained the legalistic mindset (apologies to RCs here) that is to some extent identified with RCatholicism. It seems to be an "inherited" mindset ...

All right, break it up, ladies.
You are more in bed with the pope than we are. Soteriology, sacramentology, funny hats,... it's mainstream orthodoxy stylin'.
We don' play dat. No triflin' he-uh.

Nothin' to see here, people. Move along...

I think there is something to be said about this. Although Protestants are quick to deny their western Catholic heritage, I think there is definitely many things in common in the way that they approach theology. In fact, I've heard that Catholics and Protestants share much more in common in regards to their approach to theology than do Orthodox with either, although it may appear different on the surface. Something to consider...

Ortho_Cat · Mar 26, 2011

sunlover1 said:
You accuse us of being having a "legalistic mindset" so certainly
you alone know what you mean by that.

I am curious to know.

Also, what do you mean when you refer to the RCC legalistic mindset?

I think this whole idea about establishing 'rule of scripture' idea seems kind of legalistic...at least that is my opinion.

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