Sola Scriptura - who has the correct interpretation of the WORD?

JacktheCatholic · May 2, 2008

Sola Scriptura.

This term is used frequently by Catholics, with myself included, and used to say that Protestants or those that use Sola Scriptura are wrong in their interpretations of scripture.

So... who is right?

I mean, which denomination that teaches Sola Scriptura is correct?

Lutheran? Anglican? Baptist? Pentecostal? Calvinism? Non Denominational? Jehovah Witness? Mormon? Seventh Day Adventists? Evangelicals? Or any other that is not mentioned?

AND WHY?

Seems to me that God is Truth and since there is but one God then there is only One Truth. Which denomination has it?

* For this discussion we will leave out all churches that do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura.

Also we will be using Wikipedia's definition of Sola Scriptura.

Quote:
Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by scripture alone") is the assertion that the Bible as God's written word is self-authenticating, clear (perspicuous) to the rational reader, its own interpreter ("Scripture interprets Scripture"), and sufficient of itself to be the final authority of Christian doctrine.
Sola scriptura was a foundational doctrinal principle of the Protestant Reformation held by the reformer Martin Luther and is a definitive principle of Protestants today (see Five solas)
Sola scriptura may be contrasted with Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox teaching, in which doctrine is taught by the teaching authority of the Church, drawing on the "Deposit of Faith", based on what they consider to be "Sacred Tradition", of which Scripture is a subset.
LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

** On a personal note I am very interested to see what others have to say on this topic since Catholicism will not be a part of this debate.

squint · May 2, 2008

Love never fails.

Interpret that...

JacktheCatholic · May 2, 2008

squint said:
Love never fails.

Interpret that...

I do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura.

I will not be debating. I will try only try to add clarity when needed as to what is being discussed.

JacktheCatholic · May 2, 2008

For example which interpretation of "This is My Body" is correct?

[bible]matthew 26:26[/bible]

Is it symbolic or literal or poetic or ...

squint · May 2, 2008

JacktheCatholic said:
For example which interpretation of "This is My Body" is correct?

[bible]matthew 26:26[/bible]

Is it symbolic or literal or poetic or ...

Love is not meant to be captured or defined. Love is from God, a gift of Him to us and in us.

Love is not defined or contained in a "wafer" for example no matter how much imagination is applied or how good that external observance makes one "feel."

Love is not inserted into one's heart by swallowing a wafer no matter how much imagination is applied or how good that external observance makes one feel.

Love is not kept from anyone by NOT swallowing a wafer in some ceremonial ritual.

If one Loves, that gift is from God Alone into our hearts. No man can stop LOVE. No man can contain LOVE. No man can capture LOVE. No man can keep His LOVE from another person, even if that other person doesn't know that they have HIS LOVE.

Freely we have received. Freely He Gives.

JacktheCatholic · May 2, 2008

squint said:
Love is not meant to be captured or defined. Love is from God, a gift of Him to us and in us.

Love is not defined or contained in a "wafer" for example no matter how much imagination is applied or how good that external observance makes one "feel."

Love is not inserted into one's heart by swallowing a wafer no matter how much imagination is applied or how good that external observance makes one feel.

Love is not kept from anyone by NOT swallowing a wafer in some ceremonial ritual.

If one Loves, that gift is from God Alone into our hearts. No man can stop LOVE. No man can contain LOVE. No man can capture LOVE. No man can keep His LOVE from another person, even if that other person doesn't know that they have HIS LOVE.

Freely we have received. Freely He Gives.

Thanks for sharing your interpretation of Matthew 26:26.

May I ask if this is your own interpretation or someone else's or one of the Protestant Denominations?

LittleLambofJesus · May 2, 2008

JacktheCatholic said:
For example which interpretation of "This is My Body" is correct?

[bible]matthew 26:26[/bible]

Is it symbolic or literal or poetic or ...

Well let me ask this. Do you view Jesus's 2nd coming in Reve 19:11 as symbolic, literal, poetic?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

1 corin 11:26 For as often ever ye may be eating the bread, this, and the drink-cup ye may be drinking, the death of the Lord ye are according-messaging until which ever He may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632)

1 Thessalonians 3:13 Into the stand-fast of ye, the hearts blameless in together-holiness before the God and Father of us in the Parousia <3952> of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with all of the holy-ones of Him [Zech 14:5/Revelation 19:11.]

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful and True and in justice He is judging and is battling.

http://christianforums.com/t6813701-question-time-jesus-returns-before-or-after-1000yrs.html

JacktheCatholic · May 2, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Well let me ask this. Do you view Jesus's 2nd coming in Reve 19:11 as symbolic, literal, poetic?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

1 corin 11:26 For as often ever ye may be eating the bread, this, and the drink-cup ye may be drinking, the death of the Lord ye are according-messaging until which ever He may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632)

1 Thessalonians 3:13 Into the stand-fast of ye, the hearts blameless in together-holiness before the God and Father of us in the Parousia <3952> of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with all of the holy-ones of Him [Zech 14:5/Revelation 19:11.]

http://christianforums.com/t6813701-question-time-jesus-returns-before-or-after-1000yrs.html

This is not about me or Catholicism.

I truly wish to hear how Sola Scriptura people view each other's interpretations and how it is resolved. Sola Scriptura is an interesting theology and I am trying to understand how it works and I think it best to see it first hand. So the need for a Theology thread on Sola Scriptura. I am just waiting for the many Sola Scriptura people I see in other GT threads to come in and share.

Thanks for wanting to include me LLoJ.

LittleLambofJesus · May 2, 2008

JacktheCatholic said:
This is not about me or Catholicism.

I truly wish to hear how Sola Scriptura people view each other's interpretations and how it is resolved.

Thanks for wanting to include me LLoJ.

Ok. Let me ask my fellow SS Protestants how they view it then, since you brought up the symbolic/literal arguement and we are discussing Sola Scriptura. Is that ok?

James 5:8 be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye, that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful and True and in justice He is judging and is battling.

JacktheCatholic · May 2, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Ok. Let my ask my fellow SS Protestants how they view it then, since you brought up the symbolic/literal arguement and we are discussing Sola Scriptura. Is that ok?

James 5:8 be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye, that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful and True and in justice He is judging and is battling.

Thanks!

sunlover1 · May 2, 2008

JacktheCatholic said:
So... who is right?

I mean, which denomination that teaches Sola Scriptura is correct?

Those to whom God makes those 'hidden' truths known
through revelation, because they themselves have
prepared their hearts to receive truth:

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables:
because they seeing see not;
and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias,
which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand;
and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this peoples heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing,
and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart,
and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men
have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them;
and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom,
and understandeth it not,

then cometh the wicked one,

and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart.
This is he which received seed by the way side.

That one understood it not.
The wayside, or footpath, is very hard ground
that's been travelled over and over and over.
(our group has ALWAYS believed this way,
or traditions of men as Jesus spoke of etc,
unwillingness to receive, hearts that have
waxed gross, eyes closed, ears plugged
to the seed)

Then there's the rocky dirt
And then the thorny, weedy choking soil.

Then the good ground;
it's known as he that
hears the word
understands
bears fruit
brings forth...

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is:

he that heareth the word,
and understandeth it;
which also beareth fruit,
and bringeth forth,
some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

LittleLambofJesus · May 2, 2008

JacktheCatholic said:
Thanks!

So what is your view. Is that 2nd coming/Parousia in Reve 19:11 and Matt 24:3, symbolic, literal or poetic?

Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952>, and of the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?' [Daniel 12/Revelation 19]

LittleLambofJesus · May 2, 2008

sunlover1 said:
Those to whom God makes those 'hidden' truths known
through revelation, because they themselves have
prepared their hearts to receive truth:

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables:
because they seeing see not;
and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias,
which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand;
and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing,
and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart,
and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men
have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them;
and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom,
and understandeth it not,

then cometh the wicked one,

and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart.
This is he which received seed by the way side.

That one understood it not.
The wayside, or footpath, is very hard ground
that's been travelled over and over and over.
(our group has ALWAYS believed this way,
or traditions of men as Jesus spoke of etc,
unwillingness to receive, hearts that have
waxed gross, eyes closed, ears plugged
to the seed)

Then there's the rocky dirt
And then the thorny, weedy choking soil.

Then the good ground;
it's known as he that
hears the word
understands
bears fruit
brings forth...

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is:

he that heareth the word,

and understandeth it;

which also beareth fruit,

and bringeth forth,

some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Hi Sunny!! I just happened to be reading thru Matt and these verses stuck out at me.
Do you think there is any significance to the numbers 100, 60 and 30 Jesus uses? I am sure he wouldn't use this unless it had a meaning. I was perhaps trying to relate it to Dan's time, times, half a time but still working on it. Thoughts?

Matt 13:18 Others yet falls upon the ground, the Good, and gave fruit which indeed a hundred, which yet sixty, which yet thirty.

Matt 13:23 The one yet upon the ground, the Good, being sown this is the one the Word hearing and understanding who indeed is bearing fruit and doing which indeed a hundred, which yet sixty, which yet thirty.

Reve 13:18 Here the Wisdom is the one having Mind let him calculate the number the number of the wild-beast/N for of man it is and the number of it six hundred sixty six. [Luke 14:28 uses "calculating"]

squint · May 2, 2008

JacktheCatholic said:
Thanks for sharing your interpretation of Matthew 26:26.

May I ask if this is your own interpretation or someone else's or one of the Protestant Denominations?

-Everyone who loves knows God and has been born of God. (1 John 4:7)

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven and giveth life unto to the world.
(John 6:33)

-The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63)

LittleLambofJesus · May 2, 2008

squint said:
-Everyone who loves knows God and has been born of God. (1 John 4:7)

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven and giveth life unto to the world.
(John 6:33)

-The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (John 6:63)

Didn't John have to be in the SPIRIT to vision Revelation?

Reve 2:17 The one having an ear let him hear! what the Spirit is saying to the Out-Called: To the one conquering I shall be giving to him of the manna, of the having been hidden, and I shall be giving him a counter/yhfon <5586> and on the counter/yhfon <5586> a name, new, having been written which no one has seen if no/except the one obtaining.

Reve 13:18 Here the Wisdom is the one having Mind let him calculate/yhfisatw <5585> (5657) the number the number of the wild-beast/N for of man it is and the number of it six hundred sixty six. [Luke 14:28 uses "calculating"]

JacktheCatholic · May 2, 2008

sunlover1 said:
Those to whom God makes those 'hidden' truths known
through revelation, because they themselves have
prepared their hearts to receive truth:

With the many different interpretations from our brethren that believe in Sola Scriptura how does one know which is correct???

JacktheCatholic · May 2, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
So what is your view. Is that 2nd coming/Parousia in Reve 19:11 and Matt 24:3, symbolic, literal or poetic?

Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952>, and of the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?' [Daniel 12/Revelation 19]

Sorry... my beliefs do not matter in this thread since I am Catholic.

LittleLambofJesus · May 2, 2008

JacktheCatholic said:
Sorry... my beliefs do not matter in this thread since I am Catholic. .......
With the many different interpretations from our brethren that believe in Sola Scriptura how does one know which is correct???

well, in your case, just go by what your Denomination interprets it as

Melethiel · May 2, 2008

The Wikipedia definition is not bad, but it is lacking in not pointing out that according to the Sola Scriptura that came out of the Reformation, Scripture is the ultimate and final authority, but it is not the only authority. Lutherans, for example, take tradition and the Church Fathers seriously, but we hold them all against the "plumb line" of Scripture. So, to take the Eucharist passages...we apply both the rule of Scripture interprets Scripture, but also take history into account. When exegeting the passage, we note: there is nothing to indicate that Christ is speaking symbolically. We simply need to take Christ at His word. For further evidence, we can pull in John 6, but because of the vague nature of that discourse, we do not use it as a primary prooftext. Furthermore, we can pull off OT typology, and the witness of the Patristics.

By contrast, most "protestant" denominations today hold to Solo Scriptura, or the common "Bible only" idea that is often condemned by the "Apostolic" churches, and rightly so.

Melethiel · May 2, 2008

LLoJ, drop it. Quit pulling the thread off topic.

Sola Scriptura - who has the correct interpretation of the WORD?

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