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The other thing to consider about some of the stories in the bible is that it is not a history lesson. These are the personal accounts of those who either knew Jesus, spoke to those who knew Jesus or those who knew about the events. The events were orally passed on as part of the tradition for learning so someone has decided to write them down. So there will be human error with some details. Each person will see the events through their own perspective. But the basic story is what matters and there is consistency with this.
Someone may have thought a particular detail was the case when they were writing down the story and it wasn't exactly the case. But this doesn't mean that the whole thing is false, it just means they are human and can get things wrong. When they were doing the Nuremberg trials for WW2 people got details wrong. But it didn't change the fact that Hitler and his cronies killed millions in the concentration camps. Getting something wrong about how many were sent to the Gas chambers even in a particular year is not the point. The point is that they were sent to the gas chambers. The other to consider is that each person may consider something in a different way. What one person describes will be described in a different way to the next. So the stories are not going to be exactly the same.
I've told you several times now that the gospel writers used assistants or understudies to produce the written material.
The UB reveals who wrote which gospels, when AND that they were edited later with some material taken out and other things added.
There is speculation as to which census it was. There was more than one census taken around the time of the birth of Jesus. There was one in 8BC, 2BC and 6AD. So the census that Josephus mentions maybe a different census to the one Luke mentions.
There is speculation as to which census it was. There was more than one census taken around the time of the birth of Jesus. There was one in 8BC, 2BC and 6AD. So the census that Josephus mentions maybe a different census to the one Luke mentions.
Critics have dogmatically made claimed in the past that the Bible was wrong only to be revealed later the scripture were right. Atheist always assume the mistake was made in scripture instead of our account of history. I would say people in the 1st and 2nd century would know more about their own history than someone thousands years later.
Critics have dogmatically made claimed in the past that the Bible was wrong only to be revealed later the scripture were right. Atheist always assume the mistake was made in scripture instead of our account of history. I would say people in the 1st and 2nd century would know more about their own history than someone thousands years later.
Isn't it true we have much older manuscripts of the NT than we do of Josephus' works yet atheist accepted it as the gospel truth?
We have a lot more source of scriptures than any other historical source and much closer to the original dates as well.Except we have multiple historical sources (including the censuses themselves and other Roman records / government practices) that conflict with Luke's account, and Luke has absolutely nothing to back up his account.
Luke's account simply does not line up with historical data, or roman legislative practices. His account is not correct.
We have a lot more source of scriptures than any other historical source and much closer to the original dates as well.
You meant what you consider "reality". A lot of facts do get lost over long periods of time so that you have to accept even history with a certain amount of faith.
There is no photos true but then for that time period there isn't much of that type of evidence for a lot of the history. But if you take court trials there will be witness accounts with no photos and the jury is relying on eye witness accounts. They may get the detail wrong about the time of day or the color of the car ect. Each person will recollect something differently sometimes. But the event still happened.I agree, but this isn't just garden-variety history. This is supposed to be Holy Spirit-inspired. Historically, most Christians tied damnation and salvation to lack of belief/belief in it.
Re concentration camps: Evidence that these existed is not based solely on second-hand accounts of people 60-70 years after the fact. There are photographs, records, the camps themselves. When the trials took place, there would have been plenty of eyewitnesses, victims to give evidence. There's nothing like that for the crucifixion.
We're talking about GOD, the omniscient, the omnipotent, capable of providing proof. He's omnibenevolent, wants us all saved. So why not give us a clear account that can't be dismantled, then judge us by our refusal to believe or not?
There is not photos true but then for that time period there isnt much of that type of evidence for a lot of the history. But if you take court trials there will be witness accounts with no photos and the jury is relying on eye witness accounts. They may get the detail wrong about the time pf day or the color of the car ect. Each person will recollect something differently sometimes. But the event still happened.
As for Jesus there are two different views. There is the man and there is the God which could perform the miracles. We can get some support for the man and most scholars agree that there was a man named Jesus. But the supernatural events are something different and this will take faith to believe they happened. But there can be indirect evidence such as some non biblical historical observers calling Jesus a sorcerer or even they said He was said to heal people.
But the main support is from the bible itself. There is a lot written about the events and it is all interwoven with real people, places, events, everyday living items all supported by the archeology. Luke or whoever wrote the book of Luke and wrote one of the versions for the birth of Jesus has been verified with many things he has written about. People places and names have been found as to what is written in the book of Luke and other books of the bible. So this can be indirect support that this is not all made up many years after the event by someone who didn't know.
Ever read about Plato? Most of what is know or assumed about him comes by way of second hand accounts. Many of the same arguments made about the existence of Jesus by Atheists could be made about Plato.
We have a lot more source of scriptures than any other historical source and much closer to the original dates as well.
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