so you know more than the pope?

98cwitr · Feb 8, 2011

"our canon"

Those aren't yours, to claim so is probably the worst act of plagiarism I've ever encountered.

Dark_Lite said:
I am assuming you do not accept the Deteurocanon. If your Bible only has 66 books, that is what she is referring to.

I don't discredit them nor do I hold them as inspired. My jury is still out on them.

AveMaria_45 · Feb 8, 2011

98cwitr said:
You asked: "...dont you know that?"

My answer: No, please elaborate.

OP question: "so you know more than the pope?"

My answer: I don't know.

No, i asked how do you know more than the pope. i have been asking for two pages now. if you have no answer then just say so. now go look at my first post again.

Uncle Floyd · Feb 8, 2011

AveMaria_45 said:
Theres a lot of people here who think they know everything about the Bible. so i looked up the pope and found this and i want to know who knows as much as he does

I think most of the people in my church know the Bible better than he does.

Heck, I think most of the people in the New Believers' class in my church know the Bible better than he does.

98cwitr · Feb 8, 2011

I never claimed to...that's the point

btw...you can change your view to have more posts per page in your User CP.

Meepy · Feb 8, 2011

98cwitr said:
"our canon"

Those aren't yours, to claim so is probably the worst act of plagiarism I've ever encountered.

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the Canon isn't plagiarism considering no one is copying scripture. lol. Don't you know anything about the early Church and how the scriptures came together? The Church decided which books were inspired by God and which were not. They discarded the erroneous ones. That is how the NT canon that YOU RELY ON came into being.

So, go make your own canon of the NT and leave the Catholic Church's if you truly are against the Church.

If you want sola scriptura in its true form you need to remove the table of contents.

98cwitr · Feb 8, 2011

I think I did when I got a Bible without Deuterocanon included...man I got ripped off

I can have a pet monkey write a book, doesn't mean it's content is right or even valid.

ivebeenshown · Feb 8, 2011

Meepy said:
If you want sola scriptura in its true form you need to remove the table of contents.

Not to mention the binding and the book titles.

This thread seems pretty call-out-ish though. Many of the disciples and apostles weren't well educated but understood very well.

AveMaria_45 · Feb 8, 2011

Uncle Floyd said:
I think most of the people in my church know the Bible better than he does.

Heck, I think most of the people in the New Believers' class in my church know the Bible better than he does.

i showed you proof of what he knows. maybe you can show us proof of what you know. how many books have you written? how many colleges have you taught at? did you go to more schools than this?

From 1946 to 1951 he studied philosophy and theology in the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology of Freising and at the University of Munich.

He received his priestly ordination on 29 June 1951.

A year later he began teaching at the Higher School of Freising.

In 1953 he obtained his doctorate in theology with a thesis entitled "People and House of God in St Augustine’s Doctrine of the Church".

Four years later, under the direction of the renowned professor of fundamental theology Gottlieb Söhngen, he qualified for University teaching with a dissertation on: "The Theology of History in St Bonaventure".

After lecturing on dogmatic and fundamental theology at the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology in Freising, he went on to teach at Bonn, from 1959 to1963; at Münster from 1963 to 1966 and at Tübingen from 1966 to 1969. During this last year he held the Chair of dogmatics and history of dogma at the University of Regensburg, where he was also Vice-President of the University.

From 1962 to 1965 he made a notable contribution to Vatican II as an "expert"; being present at the Council as theological advisor of Cardinal Joseph Frings, Archbishop of Cologne.

His intense scientific activity led him to important positions at the service of the German Bishops’ Conference and the International Theological Commission.

In 1972 together with Hans Urs von Balthasar, Henri de Lubac and other important theologians, he initiated the theological journal "Communio".

On 25 March 1977 Pope Paul VI named him Archbishop of Munich and Freising. On 28 May of the same year he received episcopal ordination. He was the first Diocesan priest for 80 years to take on the pastoral governance of the great Bavarian Archdiocese. He chose as his episcopal motto: "Cooperators of the truth". He himself explained why: "On the one hand I saw it as the relation between my previous task as professor and my new mission. In spite of different approaches, what was involved, and continued to be so, was following the truth and being at its service. On the other hand I chose that motto because in today’s world the theme of truth is omitted almost entirely, as something too great for man, and yet everything collapses if truth is missing".

Paul VI made him a Cardinal with the priestly title of "Santa Maria Consolatrice al Tiburtino", during the Consistory of 27 June of the same year.

In 1978 he took part in the Conclave of 25 and 26 August which elected John Paul I, who named him his Special Envoy to the III International Mariological Congress, celebrated in Guayaquil (Ecuador) from 16 to 24 September. In the month of October of the same year he took part in the Conclave that elected Pope John Paul II.

He was Relator of the V Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops which took place in 1980 on the theme: "Mission of the Christian Family in the world of today", and was Delegate President of the VI Ordinary General Assembly of 1983 on "Reconciliation and Penance in the mission of the Church".

John Paul II named him Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and President of the Pontifical Biblical Commission and of the International Theological Commission on 25 November 1981. On 15 February 1982 he resigned the pastoral governance of the Archdiocese of Munich and Freising. The Holy Father elevated him to the Order of Bishops assigning to him the Suburbicarian See of Velletri-Segni on 5 April 1993.

He was President of the Preparatory Commission for the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which after six years of work (1986-1992) presented the new Catechism to the Holy Father.

On 6 November 1998 the Holy Father approved the election of Cardinal Ratzinger as Vice-Dean of the College of Cardinals, submitted by the Cardinals of the Order of Bishops. On 30 November 2002 he approved his election as Dean; together with this office he was entrusted with the Suburbicarian See of Ostia.

In 1999 he was Special Papal Envoy for the Celebration of the XII Centenary of the foundation of the Diocese of Paderborn, Germany which took place on 3 January.

Since 13 November 2000 he has been an Honorary Academic of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.

In the Roman Curia he has been a member of the Council of the Secretariat of State for Relations with States; of the Congregations for the Oriental Churches, for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, for Bishops, for the Evangelization of Peoples, for Catholic Education, for Clergy and for the Causes of the Saints; of the Pontifical Councils for Promoting Christian Unity, and for Culture; of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, and of the Pontifical Commissions for Latin America, "Ecclesia Dei", for the Authentic Interpretation of the Code of Canon Law, and for the Revision of the Code of Canon Law of the Oriental Churches.

Among his many publications special mention should be made of his "Introduction to Christianity", a compilation of University lectures on the Apostolic Creed published in 1968; "Dogma and Preaching" (1973) an anthology of essays, sermons and reflections dedicated to pastoral arguments.

His address to the Catholic Academy of Bavaria on "Why I am still in the Church" had a wide resonance; in it he stated with his usual clarity: "one can only be a Christian in the Church, not beside the Church".

His many publications are spread out over a number of years and constitute a point of reference for many people specially for those interested in entering deeper into the study of theology. In 1985 he published his interview-book on the situation of the faith (The Ratzinger Report) and in 1996 "Salt of the Earth". On the occasion of his 70th birthday the volume "At the School of Truth" was published, containing articles by several authors on different aspects of his personality and production.

He has received numerous "Honoris Causa" Doctorates, in 1984 from the College of St. Thomas in St. Paul, Minnesota; in 1986 from the Catholic University of Lima; in 1987 from the Catholic University of Eichstätt; in 1988 from the Catholic University of Lublin; in 1998 from the University of Navarre; in 1999 from the LUMSA (Libera Università Maria Santissima Assunta) of Rome and in 2000 from the Faculty of Theology of the University of Wrocław in Poland.

HarryCovert · Feb 8, 2011

98cwitr said:
I think I did when I got a Bible without Deuterocanon included...man I got ripped off

I can have a pet monkey write a book, doesn't mean it's content is right or even valid.

Well, at least you got your money's worth with that monkey!

Meepy · Feb 8, 2011

98cwitr said:
I think I did when I got a Bible without Deuterocanon included...man I got ripped off

I can have a pet monkey write a book, doesn't mean it's content is right or even valid.

yea that "corrupt" LXX that all the early Christians and apostles used. Too bad we all had to wait until the 16th century when the true KJV bible came along.

The protestants and baptists really need to have their own canon of the NT if they really want to be separated from the Church. Like when Luther wanted to rip out the book of James, Hebrews and Revelation. He managed to get the deuterocanon. Don't know why he didn't go all the way with the NT too like how he truly wanted.

Stryder06 · Feb 8, 2011

What's the point of this thread again?

I mean let's be real, even if someone here did have credentials that matched that of the Pope's you'd still think that they weren't on the same level.

His credentials don't mean squat before the eyes of the Almighty. His teachings could be considered genius but that wouldn't matter if his teachings weren't Spirit led.

simonthezealot · Feb 8, 2011

AveMaria_45 said:
Theres a lot of people here who think they know everything about the Bible.

I've never met a soul in my life who thought they knew everything about the bible.

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 8, 2011

so you know more than the pope?

Nope....I barely made it outta high school and never saw another classroom after that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7325781/#post49964751
Pope, King of the world?

Luke 14:11 because every one who is exalting himself shall be humbled,
and he who is humbling himself shall be exalted.'

simonthezealot · Feb 8, 2011

Stryder06 said:
What's the point of this thread again?

I mean let's be real, even if someone here did have credentials that matched that of the Pope's you'd still think that they weren't on the same level.

His credentials don't mean squat before the eyes of the Almighty. His teachings could be considered genius but that wouldn't matter if his teachings weren't Spirit led.

Brings to mind this verse in the first chapter of 1 Cor..
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

Meepy · Feb 8, 2011

simonthezealot said:
I've never met a soul in my life who thought they knew everything about the bible.

you must not be around many independent baptists, lol

HarryCovert · Feb 8, 2011

Stryder06 said:
What's the point of this thread again?

I mean let's be real, even if someone here did have credentials that matched that of the Pope's you'd still think that they weren't on the same level.

His credentials don't mean squat before the eyes of the Almighty. His teachings could be considered genius but that wouldn't matter if his teachings weren't Spirit led.

Well, that is exactly the point. Catholics believe the Pope's teachings are Spirit led, in the area of faith and morals. The Holy Spirit will help us understand those teachings, but we cannot teach on our own authority, even if we are sure the Holy Spirit has gifted us with greater understanding than the Pope, because Christ has given him that authority. Ave's point, IMO, is that if you are going to rely on your own interpretation of the Scriptures, you should at least be as knowlegable of them as the Pope, a brilliant theologian.

Stryder06 · Feb 8, 2011

simonthezealot said:
Brings to mind this verse in the first chapter of 1 Cor..
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

Was just the verse I was thinking of. I mean it's not hard to see what one really knows about scripture. It's application is the real measure of ones knowledge.

AveMaria_45 · Feb 8, 2011

Stryder06 said:
What's the point of this thread again?

you didnt read the first post? the point is,

"Theres a lot of people here who think they know everything about the Bible. so i looked up the pope and found this and i want to know who knows as much as he does"

so how about you?

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 8, 2011

Stryder06 said:
Was just the verse I was thinking of. I mean it's not hard to see what one really knows about scripture. It's application is the real measure of ones knowledge.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7246132/
Scripture as my measure

Revelation 11:1 And was given to me a reed like a rod/staff saying, "Be rousing! and Measure! the Sanctuary of the God, and the altar, and the Ones-worshipping in it/him";

Stryder06 · Feb 8, 2011

HarryCovert said:
Well, that is exactly the point. Catholics believe the Pope's teachings are Spirit led, in the area of faith and morals. The Holy Spirit will help us understand those teachings, but we cannot teach on our own authority, even if we are sure the Holy Spirit has gifted us with greater understanding than the Pope, because Christ has given him that authority. Ave's point, IMO, is that if you are going to rely on your own interpretation of Scripture, you had at least be as knowlegable of them as the Pope; a brilliant theologian.

That's my whole probem with this situation, and please don't misunderstand me. No where am I instructed to submit myself to the pope (A). (B) I see nothing in scripture that says I am not allowed to teach someone reagarding the things of the scripture. (C) The disciples were told to go out and make other disciples, they were not instructed to go out and setup another priesthood. (D) Saying "I believe his teachings are Spirit led, in my opinion, is only setting oneself up for a fall. It's obvious to see that certain things aren't led by or inspired by the Spirit if you simply check them against the scriptures.

Again, I hope I wasn't being offensive there, I just get really bothered by this because it seems as if one is putting their trust in man rather then God. You can't blindly follow someone else just because he says he has authority given him by God.

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