so you know more than the pope?

The Gospel without the Holy water to water it down would be easier for the world to accept i think.

I got no problem with Holy Water, just when it waters down the message of the the pure Living Water of the Gospel which should never be this hard.

Let us be baptised in the holy Water that is not watered down

Confusion is a horrible thing, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are so much more simple and Gentle for a seeker of Christ to understand.

simonthezealot said:

Is of so great dignity and highness, that there may be mere man, but as if God and Vicar of God

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You know Google translate is in alpha right?

If someones asks for bread would you give them a stone instead?

I see many meanings in that one teaching alone. Gods Word is so Awesome. Why would i need any other Books besides the Bible alone?

I'm not saying other Books are wrong, just that i don't need them, Gods awesome and most powerful Word known as the Bible is all i need.

Of course i guess it could be said that we need some other books to help translate the Bible and scholars are needed. But the Gospel is all that needs to be taught in Church to non teachers and those in the world seeking Salvation. Lets not give them a stone to stumble over where Bread is needed.


Hope in Jesus Christ. The truth shall set you free. The one whom the Son sets free is free indeed.
All things work for the Good of those that love God.
Seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened unto you.
If we lack anything God says we should have, all we need do is ask and keep asking until he answers.
Pray and don't ever stop. Read the Word. Praise our Lord Jesus Name.
Fight the Good fight of Faith and never stop running the race, even if you stumble on a stone in your path and fall on your face.
Love God with all your heart and all your might, that's how we win the fight.
Love your enemy. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love is the Greatest.


My interpretation of the Gospel. Bold and Blue.

godisreal36 said:

The Gospel without the Holy water to water it down would be easier for the world to accept i think.

I got no problem with Holy Water, just when it waters down the message of the the pure Living Water of the Gospel which should never be this hard.

Let us be baptised in the holy Water that is not watered down

Confusion is a horrible thing, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are so much more simple and Gentle for a seeker of Christ to understand.

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You don't seem to actually understand what the Catholic Church teaches or does. This is a lot of the problem that exist in some Protestant and Non-Denominational Churches.

There is no watering down of the Gospel. It is taught at every Mass. If you have a specific question about what is taught by the Church, then I'll be happy to help you.

Yarddog said:

You don't seem to actually understand what the Catholic Church teaches or does. This is a lot of the problem that exist in some Protestant and Non-Denominational Churches.

There is no watering down of the Gospel. It is taught at every Mass. If you have a specific question about what is taught by the Church, then I'll be happy to help you.

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You dont understand.

Many do not understand the teaching in the Catholic Church and they Judge every Church because of it. Many stumbling blocks are in their path, maybe you dont stumble but the world does. Are you in it it for yourself or the rest of the world also?

In regards to the OP: Is the entire premise suppose to be "Because the Pope knows more/is more educated that we should obey him?

daydreamergurl15 said:

It doesn't matter if they NEVER TOOK A WIFE because we are not told that Paul or James were elders. We know that Paul was an apostle but being an apostle was not conditioned of whether one was married, however being an elder is. For an elder have to shepherd the flock of God.

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what? This is the problem that happens with regarding sola scripture. You essentially cut yourself off from a great tomb of information regarding the history of the apostles. James was the first bishop of Jerusalem. In fact he died when a clubber pushed him off a ledge near the Church. St. Paul made some of his disciples bishops in the Greek cities.

From Eusebius' The History of the Church, book 3, chapter 4:

For he [Paul] had innumerable fellow-workers or --- as he himself called them --- fellow-soldiers. Most of these he has honoured with an imperishable memory, paying them constant tribute in his own letters. Again Luke in the Acts, in listing Paul's disciples, mentions them by name. We may instance Timothy, stated to have been the first bishop appointed to the see of Ephesus, as was Titus to the churches of Crete.

Paul helped formed the foundations of the great Church in Rome(St. Irenaeus 3,3,2) with Peter and were both finally martyred there by Emperor Nero; St. Paul was beheaded and Peter crucified upside-down. But before he went to Rome St. Paul appointed a large number of Bishops in the Lydian Empire. Regarding the Church St. Paul appointed bishops regarding the smaller greek cities, like with Dionysius being Bishop of Corinth and Athens, and St. Paul conferred Timothy to be bishop of Ephesus. Polycarp was bishop of Smyrna. Peter appointed Ignatius Bishop of Antioch. Phillip being deacon of Samaria and Gaza. Melito bishop of Sardis, The Apostle John appointed Antipas as bishop of Pergamum, Mark being bishop of Alexandria, St. Thomas and Saint Bartholomew being a missionary to Asia, Armenia, and India ,etc

"Romans and Corinthians who are the planting of Peter and Paul. For they both came to our Corinth and planted us, and taught alike; and alike going to Italy and teaching there, were martyred at the same time." - Eusebius 'Church History'"

It has nothing to do with what the scripture ACTUALLY says because whether you guys want to argue with it or not, it says "husband of one wife" "his children in submission to him" "ruling his own house well" "having faithful children" all deal with ruling a household. So, lets continue to confuse ourselves with those qualifications so that we'll be okay when we appoint single men as elders.

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that was meaning in regards to the prevention of polygamy. Polygamy was still common at that time. And due to dispensations some Bishops could have wives if they were married before they had become a bishop. It was known that married bishops however became celibate. Although St. Paul says it is better to not be married. Celibacy is not a doctrine of the Church, but a discipline relating to the time. There are times where a married person could be a bishop. Although with the consensus of the ancient fathers it was much better if one was celibate because there were problems regarding nepotism and children would demand the office of bishop of their fathers.

The Gospel Written in the 4 books is so much easier and the New testiment is full of more Wisdom than can be seen with blinded eyes. Bible scholars are needed as they are called but why let the world stumble upon this mess? It is Good to debate and talk about old ways and things of the past and we need to remember and study everything, but it doesn't help a world dying in sin who seek One God. And One Church united under Christ alone.

godisreal36 said:

You dont understand.

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I don't understand my own Church?

godisreal36 said:

Many do not understand the teaching in the Catholic Church and they Judge every Church because of it.

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I'm not sure exactly what that means. It is clear that most Non-Denominational Churches plus Protestant Churches don't understand what the Catholic Church teaches but the Catholic Church doesn't "judge" other Churches. Now, that cannot be said about many Catholics but the number of judgmental Catholics is about the same as non-Catholics.

godisreal36 said:

Many stumbling blocks are in their path, maybe you dont stumble but the world does. Are you in it it for yourself or the rest of the world also?

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Everybody stumbles from time to time but thankfully we have a very loving Father who guides his children and forgives them through his bountiful grace.

daydreamergurl15 said:

Let's make one thing clear, do not assume what I believe and don't believe. If you want to know, ask me. As for taking the bible literally or figuratively, the one great thing about reading it, is that the bible explains itself. The context give you the clues of what is literal and figurative.


I don't interpret the scripture, the Holy Spirit does that for all those who were baptized and received Him.


How exactly do you think they understood scripture? Was it not the Apostles who went around teaching the first century church? Was it not the Holy Scripture helping them understand? We are told that the Holy Scripture works through the scripture. We are not told to understand scripture on our own, it is the Holy Spirit's job to interpret it for us. The scripture tells us that it is the Spirit that gives us spiritual understanding (1 Corinthians 2). So, no, I agree that I wouldn't understand any of that on my own. But it is not by my understanding that I lean. Most certainly when Christ gave the great commission in Matthew 28:18-20, teaching was emphasized. And the Holy Spirit does give some to be teachers and discerner and so on, but realize that it is should be the Holy Spirit who is doing this and He helps us through the word.


Who told you that? Did the scriptures say such a thing or did man?


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Its really interesting because while I was reading last night I came across a document, I believe by Pope Pius X, on the issue of protestantism in relation to modernism. The ideal of many modernists is using solely human reason and an "inner intuition" with regarding the interpretation of scripture, Jesus's life and dogma. And essentially they make this personal intuition or conscious, which they call vital eminence, as the great authority regarding the deciding on the things of religion, essentially throwing away the deposit of the faith and the works of the ancient fathers and councils.

You think that the Holy Spirit may be moving you to understand scripture. But it could be simply your feeling of an intuition of the heart and your vital eminence. And it makes it even more so when you compare all the differing denominations that say they interpret scripture by this "inner intuition" or "sense of the heart" which they think is the Holy Spirit leading them. But if the Holy Spirit was truly leading them they would agree with each other, as the Spirit does not contradict itself.

Hence I think the operation of the Holy Spirit is much more related to the apostolic deposit of faith, which it guards, divine guidance outside personal intuition, and working through the whole of the Church in communion with the saints, rather than a personal individual "intuition" of thinking oneself as a bible interpreter.

Yarddog said:

but the Catholic Church doesn't "judge" other Churches.

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Yarddog,
Would you agree that if a person took the time to read through the canons of the Council of Trent, they would not come to this same conclusion?

AveMaria_45 said:

is that what it says? does it say you should obey him?
no, it does not, so why are you trying to start a quarrel.

why can't people actually read what things say. are you blind or something?

it says, since so many people here think they know so much, how do you think you know more than the pope based on all that he obviously knows and his religious education.

there, i can't dumb it down for you any more than that

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Were you taught to treat people in such a demeaning way in a Catholic school or Church. No. At least not by any priest or nun. A teacher or employee in any Church or school which has needs to be fired.

Do you understand just how the Vatican has called us to be when we interact with non-Catholics when speaking about our faith. Apparently not.

Stop acting like a heathen and act like a Christian. We are called to charity, act like you were taught that.

God bless you, Yarddog.

Yarddog said:

I don't understand my own Church?

I'm not sure exactly what that means. It is clear that most Non-Denominational Churches plus Protestant Churches don't understand what the Catholic Church teaches but the Catholic Church doesn't "judge" other Churches. Now, that cannot be said about many Catholics but the number of judgmental Catholics is about the same as non-Catholics.


Everybody stumbles from time to time but thankfully we have a very loving Father who guides his children and forgives them through his bountiful grace.

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Calm down brother, i mean no disrespect to you or your religion. I respect every Christan Church and i said you don't understand what i am saying and you just proved it yet again.

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