so, i've got questions

NinadeDios777 · Jun 24, 2006

Am i going to he.ll because i don't accpet the sda interpretation of prophecy even though i can't find it in the bible?
(thats not saying its not there, just that i can't find it)

is their interpretation the truth? if it is and i don't accept it, even though i haven't found it in the bible, am i going to he.ll?

if it isn't the truth and i accept it anyway, do i go to he.ll?

if i accept their interpretation withut being able to find it in the bible am i going to h.ell?

assuming that the sda church IS the one and only true church, (again, thats not saying it isn't, just that i don't follow everyones reasoning why it is)
if i'm not a sevetnh day adventist am i going to he.ll?

if i compromise say, my bible based belief of going to church on saturday instead of sunday for a church family taht would love me, am i going to he.ll?

if i am in the adventist church and am not sda, am i going to h.ell?

if i am not in the sda church and am sda am i going to heaven?

if i'm not a conservative enough sda am i going to h.ell??

who's righT? the conservative sdas or the liberals?

if i'm the opposite of whoever's right am i going to h.ell?

woobadooba · Jun 24, 2006

NinadeDios777 said:
Am i going to he.ll because i don't accpet the sda interpretation of prophecy even though i can't find it in the bible?
(thats not saying its not there, just that i can't find it)

is their interpretation the truth? if it is and i don't accept it, even though i haven't found it in the bible, am i going to he.ll?

if it isn't the truth and i accept it anyway, do i go to he.ll?

if i accept their interpretation withut being able to find it in the bible am i going to h.ell?

assuming that the sda church IS the one and only true church, (again, thats not saying it isn't, just that i don't follow everyones reasoning why it is)
if i'm not a sevetnh day adventist am i going to he.ll?

if i compromise say, my bible based belief of going to church on saturday instead of sunday for a church family taht would love me, am i going to he.ll?

if i am in the adventist church and am not sda, am i going to h.ell?

if i am not in the sda church and am sda am i going to heaven?

if i'm not a conservative enough sda am i going to h.ell??

who's righT? the conservative sdas or the liberals?

if i'm the opposite of whoever's right am i going to h.ell?

It's not about us (SDAs) my dear sister, but about Christ. Are you walking in His steps? Are you allowing Him to mold and fashion your character?

Do you fit this description: "This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus." (Rev. 14:12) There is no need to fear being cast into the lake of fire when you're on fire for the Lord. In other words, "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear..." 1Jn. 4:18

Do you love Christ? Jesus said, "If you love me, you will obey what I command." Jn. 14:15 Therefore, center your life in Christ so that you may hear His words, and receive strength to carry out His instructions.

Moreover, some have more light than others. We must gravitate towards such people if we are to grow in our relationship with Christ. For, Jesus uses such people to engender spiritual growth amongst His children, whom He wills to become mature in the faith.

But know this: God will only judge you according to the light that has been given to you. What this means is that you will not be held accountable for what you don't know. Yet, at the same time you should realise that you will be held accountable for what you could've known, but never came to know because you wouldn't accept it.

My advice to you is that you put aside any personal biases that you may have against what you don't understand, and allow the Spirit to guide you in all truth. If those who are endeavoring to teach you the ways of the Lord are walking in Him, you will know this because you too are in Him and He will enable you to become aware of this; but this will not happen unless you open your heart to receive them in love.

P.S. Don't think so much about hell, but take heed to these words:

"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things." Phil. 4:8

tall73 · Jun 24, 2006

NinadeDios777 said:
Am i going to he.ll because i don't accpet the sda interpretation of prophecy even though i can't find it in the bible?
(thats not saying its not there, just that i can't find it)

You can't believe what you dont' see

Your not going to hell because of that.
Study the Bible not so much to confirm or reject a view (Adventist or otherwise), but to learn what God has to say.

is their interpretation the truth? if it is and i don't accept it, even though i haven't found it in the bible, am i going to he.ll?

See above.

if it isn't the truth and i accept it anyway, do i go to he.ll?

There is no reason to accept as truth what you don't see clearly as truth. So the simple answer is, don't do it.

if i accept their interpretation withut being able to find it in the bible am i going to h.ell?

Why would you need to accept it i9f you don't see it?

assuming that the sda church IS the one and only true church, (again, thats not saying it isn't, just that i don't follow everyones reasoning why it is)
if i'm not a sevetnh day adventist am i going to he.ll?

There will be people of all Christian churches there if they trust in Christ. Woobadooba was dead on. It is about following Christ, not a church.

We are here because we believe this to be the closest to what we find in the Scriptures.

if i compromise say, my bible based belief of going to church on saturday instead of sunday for a church family taht would love me, am i going to he.ll?

Or you could just go to both churches. Or go to the sunday church and keep Sabbath in your home. Or figure out how you can MAKE the Adventist church more loving rather than give up on it.

There is no reason to choose to compromise.

if i am in the adventist church and am not sda, am i going to h.ell?

if i am not in the sda church and am sda am i going to heaven?

if i'm not a conservative enough sda am i going to h.ell??

God is not checking for SDA name tags. He wants to know if you ove Him and accept His gift of salvation, and are following Him, regardless of what you call yourself.

who's righT? the conservative sdas or the liberals?

if i'm the opposite of whoever's right am i going to h.ell?

Likely they both see aspects of God. No one camp is right on every issue.

Again, study the Bible to find God. God is not interested in you going to hell, but in finding salvation.

Cliff2 · Jun 24, 2006

NinadeDios777 said:
Am i going to he.ll because i don't accpet the sda interpretation of prophecy even though i can't find it in the bible?
(thats not saying its not there, just that i can't find it)

is their interpretation the truth? if it is and i don't accept it, even though i haven't found it in the bible, am i going to he.ll?

if it isn't the truth and i accept it anyway, do i go to he.ll?

if i accept their interpretation withut being able to find it in the bible am i going to h.ell?

assuming that the sda church IS the one and only true church, (again, thats not saying it isn't, just that i don't follow everyones reasoning why it is)
if i'm not a sevetnh day adventist am i going to he.ll?

if i compromise say, my bible based belief of going to church on saturday instead of sunday for a church family taht would love me, am i going to he.ll?

if i am in the adventist church and am not sda, am i going to h.ell?

if i am not in the sda church and am sda am i going to heaven?

if i'm not a conservative enough sda am i going to h.ell??

who's righT? the conservative sdas or the liberals?

if i'm the opposite of whoever's right am i going to h.ell?

Let me assure you that just because a person is SDA does not mean that they have a special right to heaven.

Connecting to a church does not give salvation.

It is your relationship with Jesus Christ that counts.

I still think and believe that at this time in the history of the world that the SDA Church follows the Bible closer than any other group.

I am talking here of the beliefs ofn the SDA Church.

I know it is very sad to think that the Church you attend is not as loving as you would like it to be.

Living on the other side of the world to where you are means I cannot give you too m uch advice about the location of a Church to attend that may help you.

You may like to try another Church near by if that is possible.

Blessings as you continue your search for truth.

Goya · Jun 24, 2006

Hello NiñadeDios.

NinadeDios777 said:
Am i going to he.ll because i don't accpet the sda interpretation of prophecy even though i can't find it in the bible?
(thats not saying its not there, just that i can't find it)

Sister, i found in the bible for myself 1 john 5:13
13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
I does not matter what SDA intepret in the bible. If you believe in Jesus and Jesus alone, and love him wiht all your heart and with all your soul, you can certainly say that you are saved! Scripture assures us that in Acts 4:12: 12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

NinadeDios777 said:
is their interpretation the truth? if it is and i don't accept it, even though i haven't found it in the bible, am i going to he.ll?

Sister, of course not. If you have not found it in the bible, then there is no truth.
Ephesians 4:21 says: 21If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus
See here, the truth is in jesus and Jesus IS the truth and only him.

NinadeDios777 said:
if it isn't the truth and i accept it anyway, do i go to he.ll?

I would suggest to follow what only the Word of God says. Remember, times past and and congregation come and go but the word of God stays the same! Psalms 102:25-27
25Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. 26They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:
27But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.

NinadeDios777 said:
if i accept their interpretation withut being able to find it in the bible am i going to h.ell?

No way! Why would you want to accept an interpretation that does not gel with scripture? Another scripture that i want to show you is in 1 john 2:27:

27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
This scripture assures us that we do not need nobody else to teach us of the word of God. Unless if you ask for somebody else's opinion.

NinadeDios777 said:
assuming that the sda church IS the one and only true church, (again, thats not saying it isn't, just that i don't follow everyones reasoning why it is)
if i'm not a sevetnh day adventist am i going to he.ll?

Sister, the truth is not found in NO church or congregation. The SDAs nor baptist nor any other religion have the truth. The only truth you would find is in the messiah alone and in the Bible and in his word.

NinadeDios777 said:
if i compromise say, my bible based belief of going to church on saturday instead of sunday for a church family taht would love me, am i going to he.ll?

No, by the word of God you can't go to hell. God commands us to keep his sabbath as a rest day. But there is no problem going on sunday to worship with other brothers and sisters in another day! Even if you become a member of another congregation, you can go worship on sunday but not to forget the commandment... rest on his sabbath.

NinadeDios777 said:
if i am in the adventist church and am not sda, am i going to h.ell?

if i am not in the sda church and am sda am i going to heaven?

if i'm not a conservative enough sda am i going to h.ell??

It will not matter what religion you attend or are. Only jesus saves !

NinadeDios777 said:
who's righT? the conservative sdas or the liberals?

if i'm the opposite of whoever's right am i going to h.ell?

Please sister, do not follow what others say. Please read and scrutenize the word of our living God.

woobadooba · Jun 24, 2006

Goya said:
The SDAs nor baptist nor any other religion have the truth. The only truth you would find is in the messiah alone and in the Bible and in his word.

And you don't believe that the Messiah has given the SDA church the truth?

You don't believe that the SDA church in general is
upholding the truth that is in the Bible?

If not, then why are you an SDA?

Goya · Jun 24, 2006

woobadooba said:
And you don't believe that the Messiah has given the SDA church the truth?

You don't believe that the SDA church in general is
upholding the truth that is in the Bible?

If not, then why are you an SDA?

Sorry about that brother. It was a gramatical error. I meant to put that the SDA or Batist are NOT the truth. Not that they dont have.

woobadooba · Jun 24, 2006

Goya said:
Sorry about that brother. It was a gramatical error. I meant to put that the SDA or Batist are NOT the truth. Not that they dont have.

Oh, OK.

NinadeDios777 · Jun 27, 2006

wow.... i never thought of much of that before.... it totally makes sense; i can still be a member of another denomination but keep the sabbath at the same time!!!!!

you have all been such a comfort and a blessing, you have no idea.

silkcity · Jun 29, 2006

NinadeDios777 said:
wow.... i never thought of much of that before.... it totally makes sense; i can still be a member of another denomination but keep the sabbath at the same time!!!!!

you have all been such a comfort and a blessing, you have no idea.

regardless of what denomination you belong to, you should question everything you hear. hear everything and retaing what's good.

personally, i don't see the purpose of belonging to a denomination that outright teaches lies.

how do i know they teach lies? because i read the scriptures and question everything.

i am not an sda, but from my own research and continous questioning, alot of what it teaches is consistend with the bible. there are alot of things that i don't accept simply because i'm not sure. but i don't discard them either.

but maybe the only thing you need to worry about is believing in the God of the universe. Fix your eyes on Jesus. He and only He has the absolute, uncorrupted truth

it's what i did and i think it's workin for me. my religion is Jesus Christ.

Windmill · Jun 30, 2006

Hey, hey hey...

How much have you studied the bible?

I don't want to be the sore tooth here, but rejecting the adventist church... well, there is more to it than the sabbath.

Now, let us make an assumption here. I am going to continue talking, on the idea that the sda church is the remnant church.

Now. You are part of the church. You are given all means to stufy the bible, and accept the truth that God has given you. Yet, you decide to take one part of it, and throw the rest out. Now, is it just me, or would God not look favourably, on you rejecting his church, and telling others that it is wrong, espically as you have had all access etc and knowledge of it?

Seriously, do others not think that? Or can I just go and join another denomination.

NinadeDios777 · Jun 30, 2006

i have studied the bible looking for answers for 3 years. some answers i am simply not finding. thats not saying that they're not in there for you to find, but i never found them. you cannot judge me. you do not know me.

NinadeDios777 · Jun 30, 2006

silkcity said:
i am not an sda, but from my own research and continous questioning, alot of what it teaches is consistend with the bible. there are alot of things that i don't accept simply because i'm not sure. but i don't discard them either.

i believe a lot of what they teach IS correct. its just that i cannot accept a view i find in the bible simply because, "oh they're the remnant church" ya know?

Cliff2 · Jun 30, 2006

NinadeDios777 said:
i believe a lot of what they teach IS correct. its just that i cannot accept a view i find in the bible simply because, "oh they're the remnant church" ya know?

I know what you mean by that quote about being the "remnant church"

It is not the best thing to tell people that you are God's remnant as it will only get their backs up and is more often just a complete turn off to them.

I do not hear that claim anywhere near as much these days than when I was younger.

I can also see their point of view.

In Revelation it says that God's remnant will keep the commandments of God and have the spirit of prophecy.

When you look at the plain facts that is what the SDA claims. Because of that the Church members will often then claim to be God's remnant.

In another part of Revelation God tells us that He calls His people out. Even though they do not belong to the SDA Church God has said they are His people.

So it shows that they are also part of the remnant even though they do not belong to the SDA Church.

We should not restrict the remnant only to members of the SDA Church.

Being a member of a Church does not make a person part of the "remnant".

I hope this helps, thanks for your question.

Windmill · Jun 30, 2006

NinadeDios777 said:
i have studied the bible looking for answers for 3 years. some answers i am simply not finding. thats not saying that they're not in there for you to find, but i never found them. you cannot judge me. you do not know me.

Look, I wasn't going to tip-toe around you, you wanted our opininos: I gave you mine. I didn't "judge" you. I judged the act.

Now, obviously, if the answers are not there, and SDA's are wrong, then joining another denomination isn't going to send you to hell. But, on the assumption that we are right, though I shant make a judgement like that, I will say, that I wouldn't be quick to shout "No, you won't go to hell" because in that situation, I'm not sure to be honest. Because, you're reecting Gods truth, you're also telling people false things about the bible.

Windmill · Jun 30, 2006

Cliff2 said:
I know what you mean by that quote about being the "remnant church"

It is not the best thing to tell people that you are God's remnant as it will only get their backs up and is more often just a complete turn off to them.

I do not hear that claim anywhere near as much these days than when I was younger.

I can also see their point of view.

In Revelation it says that God's remnant will keep the commandments of God and have the spirit of prophecy.

When you look at the plain facts that is what the SDA claims. Because of that the Church members will often then claim to be God's remnant.

In another part of Revelation God tells us that He calls His people out. Even though they do not belong to the SDA Church God has said they are His people.

So it shows that they are also part of the remnant even though they do not belong to the SDA Church.

We should not restrict the remnant only to members of the SDA Church.

Being a member of a Church does not make a person part of the "remnant".

I hope this helps, thanks for your question.

I agree, but I also believe God has espically chosen the SDA church as a whole for a special purpose. Like spreading the prophecy.

I also don't like to make remnant claims either, because you're right, people get upset.

silkcity · Jun 30, 2006

NinadeDios777 said:
i believe a lot of what they teach IS correct. its just that i cannot accept a view i find in the bible simply because, "oh they're the remnant church" ya know?

nina, i never said that they are the remnant. i think i'm correct when i say that the remnant is composed of those that keep God's commandments and have the faith of Jesus Christ.

believe me, i used to have a such negative feelings toward the sda church, or maybe the enormous amount of religious people that make a part of it. but whether i like the church or not (who am i to judge?), it does not take away that it is the only church who's doctrine does not corrupt the word of God, at least for the most part.

i don't usually attend church, for personal reasons, but i also do not like attending churches of other denominations (my friends are always invitin me) simply becuase i cannot bare to sit and listen to a graduated pastor or reverend, knowledgeable in theology and scriputures, deceiving the people and lying to them without shame.

some more advice to you (again, hear everything and retain what's good), stop worrying about religion or denominations so much. like i said before, fix your eyes on Jesus and only Him.

for now, who cares about the remnant or the true church?
worry about the One and Only True God, Jesus Christ.

keep studying your bible... i doubt that 3 years is enough for u to understand the whole truth.

don't worry so much about the things that have nothing to do with your salvation.

believe in Christ. if you believe in Him, you will love Him. If you love Him, you will obey Him.

Goya · Jun 30, 2006

Windmill said:
Because, you're reecting Gods truth, you're also telling people false things about the bible.

Is this another opinion of yours?

Windmill · Jun 30, 2006

Goya said:
Is this another opinion of yours?

"another" opinion? What do you mean?

But no, this isn't an opinion. Think about it. By saying "This is wrong" and joining another denomination, you're a witness to others. They will see you reject the SDA truth. This is just obvious and logical. This is not an "opinion". You are sending the message out that the church is wrong and will discourage people, obviously, from joining it.

If the SDA church was right, lets pretend for a moment, they were right in everything (we are pretending here) then, you saying they are wrong is basically making false claims about the bible. So, basically, you're changing the bible, and telling others they should do so too, by your witness.

NinadeDios777 · Jun 30, 2006

Windmill said:
Look, I wasn't going to tip-toe around you, you wanted our opininos: I gave you mine. I didn't "judge" you. I judged the act.

Now, obviously, if the answers are not there, and SDA's are wrong, then joining another denomination isn't going to send you to hell. But, on the assumption that we are right, though I shant make a judgement like that, I will say, that I wouldn't be quick to shout "No, you won't go to hell" because in that situation, I'm not sure to be honest. Because, you're reecting Gods truth, you're also telling people false things about the bible.

first off, i'm sorry, i didn't mean for that to come out as mean as it sounds now that i reread it. i don't think worshipping on sunday would tell people false things about the bible, because i would still be keeping the sabbath,

maybe it comes with time, who knows. at this point in mylife, i've prayed about it, and God told me he woudln't mind if i went to church in another denomination so long as i still kept the sabbath. who knows, it might just be a witnessing tactic. *shrug*

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