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Oh, that's right.
Those who aren't are called "liars" ... aren't they?
Since God is omniscient then suffice it to say that his creation's fate has been preordained.
True, this is biblical.
In this case it is clearly a matter of; either believe or perish!
Selection and election. True as well.
Clearly there is no room for free will here.
Man, like a dog, has free will up to the end of the chain.
Either join the Mafia or be shot!
Not quite. One must be selected, then elected.
It isn't JUST that God knows what you are going to choose to eat for breakfast tomorrow. He isn't JUST an observer. If he was, then what you say is true. But the illogic of it comes when you consider that he created the universe exactly as he did, already knowing what choices the people make in it. No matter what universe he creates, he is making every decision, for every person, when he chooses exactly which universe to create. We cannot make a choice contrary to what he created this universe to do. Ergo, no free will.
That is incorrect. I am not sure what teaching you are listening to.
If what you say is true then there would be no need for a savior. Just start with Genesis. God showed the animals to Adam to see what he would name them. He told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree. They both could have chosen not to eat.
Lets take that out then. They have kids, and their kids have kids....and someone, somewhere along the line would have chosen to eat and we are right back to the same outcome. Only Genesis would have been slightly different.
Here, let me help.And that is precisely my point. You can live with gravity (even though Jesus walked on water) or biology (even though Jesus resurrected himself and others) but you cannot live with evolution. This is beyond me.
Why not?Jesus no more walked on water than the emperor Augustus was conceived via the union of a god with a human female.
I don’t accept your version of the law.But you don't need to accept the law of gravity.
The Bible doesn’t make that claim.So you accept the Bible's claim that gravity has nothing to do with rainfall?
Observation and experience.You know this how?
They were written just as they were intended by God to be written.How did you work out that they were written perfectly?
Because my weak humanity often gets in the way. God is in the process of correcting my human weaknesses. When I am finally glorified (God willing) the end product will be a perfect human. I would have become all that God intended me to be.And if you have an intimate relationship with and guidance by an omnipotent, omnipresent God, why can't you live the perfect life?
Fallible humans wrote the Bible under the infallible supervision of God.And if you cannot do this, then clearly there is no need to accept that the words in the Bible are infallible and inerrant. Humans wrote them.
No, but humans do.Again, how do you know this? Does God have limitations?
I am implicitly claiming that the Bible is necessarily infallible and inerrant if it is to be relied upon as a guide for correcting our human imperfections.So you are implicitly claiming that the Bible is not necessarily infallible and inerrant?
Darwinian evolution is not a law nor an observation. At worst its a mere assumption. At best its an educated guess.
And even then it is not consistent with the miraculous event of creation.
Wrong. It is a scientific theory, which is far stronger than a 'guess' no matter how educated. 150 years of research have only made the theory stronger.
Darwinian evolution is not a law nor an observation.
Isn't it amazing how creationists here demonstrate, over and over and over again, that they know close to nothing about evolution?
But scientists do.Not all scientists are atheists.
...science does not delve into the spiritual world
But scientists do.
Why do they?
Is it because they recognize that reality is more than just matter and energy.
I don't follow your logic.Since God is omniscient then suffice it to say that his creation's fate has been preordained.
That's a free-will choice.In this case it is clearly a matter of; either believe or perish!
You can freely choose to be shot. No one is stopping you.Clearly there is no room for free will here. Either join the Mafia or be shot!
Isn't it amazing how creationists here demonstrate, over and over and over again, that they know close to nothing about evolution?
You guys can't demonstrated you know NOTHING about creationism.
I don't know whether to stand in awe or facepalm.Oh, we might not know the stuff that you read between the lines (you know, the stuff that differs between every single person you talk to, things like flood waters going to Neptune), but the actually Biblical stuff we know all about.
I don't know whether to stand in awe or facepalm.
Do I see a big EXEMPT stamped here?
Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
I don't follow your logic.
Just because God knows the creation's fate doesn't mean He preordained it.
The creation's fate is determined by the free-will choices made by the creation itself.
Cause and effect.
God foreknew the effect but He is not the cause.
That's a free-will choice.
You can freely choose to be shot. No one is stopping you.
Jesus freely chose to be crucified rather than join the "Mafia".
You really need to work on your logic.
Isn't it amazing how Cabvet here keeps repeating, over and over and over again like a scratched CD, that creationists know close to nothing about evolution?Isn't it amazing how creationists here demonstrate, over and over and over again, that they know close to nothing about evolution?
No, its because many scientists believe in miraculous events that render physical evidence meaningless.No, it's because you delve into science and someone has to set the record straight.
Those are observation of physical facts, not Darwinian evolution.No, the fossil record, DNA, proteins, things that we can actually see, those are not observations.
The book was written based on observations.The words on a 3,000 year old book? That's an observation.
Yup.Good on you.
Isn't it amazing how Cabvet here keeps repeating, over and over and over again like a scratched CD, that creationists know close to nothing about evolution?
Im sure there are many creationists here who understand evolution just as well or far better than many of you internet scientists. Their interpretation of the facts are more consistent with all of reality, not just parts of it.
In any case, we dont need to be well educated on a subject to reject it if we are well educated on why fundamental parts of it are flawed. No, its because many scientists believe in miraculous events that render physical evidence meaningless.
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