So apparently nobody actually believes in creationism.

Sigh... biblical people obviously had no idea of microorganisms, why even try to argue that the bible mentions them? Animals =/= bacteria.

If they knew about them why did millions still die from simple infections which are prevented with basic knowledge of microbiology? I know why: they had no clue as to what a bacteria was.

serge546 said:

Sigh... biblical people obviously had no idea of microorganisms, why even try to argue that the bible mentions them? Animals =/= bacteria.

If they knew about them why did millions still die from simple infections which are prevented with basic knowledge of microbiology? I know why: they had no clue as to what a bacteria was.

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Nobody made that case.

RickG said:

Screwball places? An example perhaps, so I don't misunderstand what you are saying.

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If skeptic is unable to recreate the conditions that the original researcher used to support his hypothesis then the argument is not scientific. Even then, the results are open to interpretation from a second point of view. The less reproducible the results, the less validity the hypothesis has. As one get farther into the past, there are is an exponential increase in the separation between the exact original conditions and the ability to accurately determine what those exact conditions were.

Each minute that passes makes it harder to scientifically determine what has happened in the past.

SkyWriting said:

Each minute that passes makes it harder to scientifically determine what has happened in the past.

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Some of us can not even figure out what is happening in the here and now, much less in the past. Forget about trying to predict the future. You could go into the "clues for sale" business and make a lot of money. Because some people don't got a clue.

Blackwater Babe said:

To those who insist the Bible is literally "God's Word", I say "gee, woulda been nice if he'd mentioned germ theory. Might have been more useful than some of the begats, maybe?"

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If you were looking in the genealogies, no wonder you couldn't find it.

The principles of contamination and applying the solution of QUARANTINE are described in Leviticus.

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Jazer said:

Some of us can not even figure out what is happening in the here and now, much less in the past. Forget about trying to predict the future. You could go into the "clues for sale" business and make a lot of money. Because some people don't got a clue.

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Most are not looking. In the next town the old holiday Inn had a physic faire every weekend, but it didn't draw much attention. King Richard's Faire was much more popular.

SkyWriting said:

When referring to the actual text, lets refer to the actual text.....

1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

Here the Bible explains that Adam, the one man, was Created directly by God, within one generation.

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Excellent example of how you INSERT your traditions into the Biblical text. The 1Cor 15:45 text says NOTHING about:

1) "created directly by God".

2) The passage doesn't even say anything about GOD creating him. [Other texts make that statement.]

3) The passage says NOTHING about how many generations are involved (let alone "one generation.")


So you FIBBED about all three assertions. Not even ONE of your assertions appears in the verse.

So the difference between you and the Bereans is this:

1) The Bereans checked the Tanakh to see if the things which the Apostle Paul had been teaching were supported by the text of the Old Covenant.

2) You on the other hand like to INSERT your TRADITIONS into the Biblical text.

Down through the centuries, the Berean approach has always been the means by which the followers of Jesus Christ have protected themselves from the false teachings of people like you who insist on forcing their cherished man-made traditions into God's Bible.

Of course, Jesus also warned that there would always be "Pharisee types" who would insist on creating OBSTACLES and placing extra BURDENS on God's people.

I really liked your 1Cor 15:45 exercise because you demonstrated an 0 for 3 record. (I had originally thought you would be able to draw some sort of basic truth from the text. But your hermeneutics is content-free.)

Your understanding of the Bible is as sparse as your understanding of the theory of evolution. (Indeed, your effort to related scriptures on MEEKNESS to evolution made very clear that you haven't the slightest idea what the theory of evolution states. You fell into one of the most common straw-man corruptions of the meaning of evolution. By the way, the easiest way to refute your attempt to summarize evolution is to point out that bacteria are the result of evolution and are among the very most successful of all life forms on either. Yet they didn't fit your cliche of survival/fitness at all!)

Keep 'em coming. Just don't mock the Bible in the process. (Mocking and misunderstanding Darwin is one thing. But treating God's book in a similar flippant manner is shameful.)


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verysincere said:

Excellent example of how you INSERT your traditions into the Biblical text. The 1Cor 15:45 text says NOTHING about:

1) "created directly by God".

2) The passage doesn't even say anything about GOD creating him. [Other texts make that statement.]

3) The passage says NOTHING about how many generations are involved (let alone "one generation.")


So you FIBBED about all three assertions. Not even ONE of your assertions appears in the verse.

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This is the passage in Strongs: "The first man Adam was made * a living soul;" So you are pretty much wrong on all three items here. Adam was clearly made by God and Adam was clearly the first generation.

SkyWriting said:

You know very well that was decided in 1866. Long after the Bible writers stopped updating the scriptures with modern terminology.

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I'm baffled by that statement.

How did the Bible writers ever "update the scriptures with modern technology"?

1) What do you mean by "updating the scriptures"?

I'm simply being honest when I tell you that I have NEVER heard or read anything about the Biblical authors ever "updating their writings" in any way.

2) What do you mean by "modern technology" in this context?

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I'm puzzled too. Does this mean that the bible needed to be updated in the past? What then about the bible as "the inerrant infallible word of god"? What about creationists who mock science for "changing every day, while tyhe bible was right since 6000 years"?

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Most are not looking.

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Then it must be nice not to have any needs, not to have any wants. To be so happy and content in life and with the way things are. Yet in the Bible we read about a people who believe they have need for nothing and yet do not realize how "wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked" they are.

3:17 Because thou sayest *, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

verysincere said:

Excellent example of how you INSERT your traditions into the Biblical text. The 1Cor 15:45 text says NOTHING about:

1) "created directly by God".

2) The passage doesn't even say anything about GOD creating him. [Other texts make that statement.]<snip>

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My tradition is that of the Bereans.
Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
That's the solution to your confusion.
Other parts of the scriptures, help to explain what this part means.
That's my tradition that smokes your noodle.

Glad I could help.

Some Christians should not try to connect the Theory of Evolution with Creationism because most supporters of Evolution believe that God is not necessary in the development of the various life forms on earth. But if some of you still think Evolution and Creationism can co-exist, then consider the following Biblical event:

"And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments." ---- Exodus 7:10-11

Evolution cannot support this event because the wooden staff turned into a snake and then back into a wooden staff. This miracle occurred in an instant and not over billions of years through some natural selection. Like all of God miracles, Christians who believe in evolution fail to considered an very important factor of Biblical miracles: TIMING.

It is the instant timing of creation that throws nonsense to the Creation & Evolution So-Called Connection. Other miracles that shows QUICK timing are:

Six Days of Creation on command
The Ten Plagues of Egypt occuring on command with perfect timing
Parting the Red Sea for Yishrael to cross over on command.
Closing the Red Sea to drown Pharaoah and his pursuing army on command.
Moses leprous hand and instant healing on command
Ax floating on command (defying laws of physics) on command
Messiah walking on water (defying laws of physics) on command

You see the connection between quick timing and an audible command? These events did not required billions of years of change but instant power from a GOD!

OneThatGotAway said:

Some Christians should not try to connect the Theory of Evolution with Creationism because most supporters of Evolution believe that God is not necessary in the development of the various life forms on earth. But if some of you still think Evolution and Creationism can co-exist, then consider the following Biblical event:

"And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments." ---- Exodus 7:10-11

Evolution cannot support this event because the wooden staff turned into a snake and then back into a wooden staff. This miracle occurred in an instant and not over billions of years through some natural selection. Like all of God miracles, Christians who believe in evolution fail to considered an very important factor of Biblical miracles: TIMING.

It is the instant timing of creation that throws nonsense to the Creation & Evolution So-Called Connection. Other miracles that shows QUICK timing are:

Six Days of Creation on command
The Ten Plagues of Egypt occuring on command with perfect timing
Parting the Red Sea for Yishrael to cross over on command.
Closing the Red Sea to drown Pharaoah and his pursuing army on command.
Moses leprous hand and instant healing on command
Ax floating on command (defying laws of physics) on command
Messiah walking on water (defying laws of physics) on command

You see the connection between quick timing and an audible command? These events did not required billions of years of change but instant power from a GOD!

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All great points!
But we have to concede that genetics and experimentation and observation shows that populations do change over time. And if Noah had just one boat of animals, then that is the number of species that has resulted in the 1.2 million that we have identified up to now.

Not really a problem, because populations can evolve in one generation.
But at least a handful is common:
Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home

Jazer said:

This is the passage in Strongs: "The first man Adam was made * a living soul;" So you are pretty much wrong on all three items here. Adam was clearly made by God and Adam was clearly the first generation.

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It's not likely that such details about generations would just be left out as the ones who don't see the big picture claim.

driewerf said:

I'm puzzled too. Does this mean that the bible needed to be updated in the past? What then about the bible as "the inerrant infallible word of god"? What about creationists who mock science for "changing every day, while the bible was right since 6000 years"?

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I can only speak for me. But it's a great question. Are what we read the original words of the writers, or did the scriptures get passed word of mouth for a while then remain unchanged after that with no alterations? Then, at what point did that happen?

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So you FIBBED about all three assertions. Not even ONE of your assertions appears in the verse.

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You are free to disagree with my understanding of what I read.
You have no stumpy withered leg to hobble on past that.
Grow up Grandpa.

Guy1 said:

Just watch the video.

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I rarely watch video's because of the difficulty of checking any statements.
But the first thing I noted was that an audio track was overdubbed.
So then I stopped watching as my reasons were re-confirmed.

USincognito said:

Why is it that Creationists never refer to created mollusk "kinds"?http://www.millerandlevine.com/km/evol/design2/article.html

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"Kinds" means "parents of offspring". Any examples of kinds are just arbitrary examples.

SkyWriting said:

All great points!
But we have to concede that genetics and experimentation and observation shows that populations do change over time. And if Noah had just one boat of animals, then that is the number of species that has resulted in the 1.2 million that we have identified up to now.

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I agree that God has created all biological life to change to a certain extent to their surrounding environment; however, all biological life have limits that prevented them from changing into a different kind of creature. Evolution says given billions of years, one species can evolve into an entirely different species altogether. For example, a fish to a frog to a bird or to a horse. I submit that God has created biological life with boundaries that prevent them from making those kinds of changes no matter how much time they are given. Evolutionists says that all live evolved from a single life form given billions of years; I say that a fish, a frog, a horse, and man will will not change outside their kind if given billion of years times trillions of years times trillion of years from now, because of God's boundaries on the species.