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At this point in my Christian walk I’m starting to feel like the things we argue over, the positions I’ve fought for, are really not that important. I’ve fought and died on many theological hills for what seems like no apparent reason. What has it accomplished? It all seems like small potatoes looking back...

I think I’ve offended more people than I’ve helped.

Ever think and feel that way?

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I think many take offense at the word of God ...

JM... reformed doctrine does not save.. but it is a key that opens the lock so that men can see the sovereignty of God and all Hs glory .

There are saved men that want God to share His glory with them ... it is all a co operative project..


Helping them see to Gods sovereign control over all things may hopefully help them to let go and let God receive the glory due Him
 
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What has it accomplished? It all seems like small potatoes looking back...

Not small potatoes, just impractical ones. Faith is like driving a car. Sound doctrine is knowing how all of the machinery under the hood works. Both an Arminian and a Calvinist can arrive at the same spiritual destination by the same means. For all practical purposes there isn't much difference between the two, necessarily. Either can be a good Christian, or even a good Baptist, or whatever, as well as a bad one, and either one can live the same kind of life and have the same kind of faith. It's the practicality of the matter that technical debate misses. My wife can drive the car, keep it filled with gas and take it in for servicing just fine, without any real understanding of how it works, but the way that the car works is no small thing, at all. It's a big complicated thing, and every aspect of its machinery is vitally important, even to the matter of life and death. Yet, all of that complexity comes down to a very simple interface, just as all of the complexity of Christian doctrine comes down to the simplicity of faith in Jesus and obedience to the commands of God. Our religion is really quite a simple one, when it comes down to the practical matters. As long as we stay above the hood, so to speak, there's not much to discuss, beyond the wisdom or idiocy of where or how our church is being driven. When our discussion gets down below the hood, then things start to get more technical. It's less practical, and it's far more complicated, and it's much harder to see, but it is still vitally important.

It comes down to having peace of mind when things go awry. At the very least, it comes down to knowing how to deal with problems. The car groans strangely when making turns; on the practical level, you can either ignore it and hope for the best, or you can get advice from someone who does understand the workings. He might tell you that your power steering is shot, because you've been putting transmission fluid down the power steering fluid tube, because you did not understand the impractical things. You might think that the entire burden of evangelism rests upon your shoulders, and you might lose sleep at night wondering if your efforts to win people to Christ have actually chased people into Hell. You might suffer from the burden and guilt, and you might be in need of good sound advice from someone who really does understand the doctrine. Either way, on the practical level the Great Commission is the same for all who believe, but knowing or not knowing the impractical implications of predestination will affect how we understand the outcomes, and whether we will be in need of psychiatric help when a loved one dies at enmity with God.
 
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Wow, that's a huge comprise. To claim the God of Arminian freewill worship is the same as biblical Calvinism is a huge comprise.

Arminianism denies, like Trent, justification by faith alone.
 
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Just to clarify. What men call Calvinism is the Gospel...the fullest expression of the biblical faith is Reformed... The small potatoes I was talking about are differences on eschatology, church polity, heck, even baptism! but not the Gospel. I'll never settle for a downgrade in the Gospel.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 
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Interesting thoughts JM. For one, seeing how God works miracles across denominations makes me feel that God has accepted and given the Spirit to many who are in error. So, I think it is fine to speak doctrines in house with brothers, but we have to push ourselves to get out there in the real world. For me it is handing out tracts and writing mainly on ShamelessPopery.com to Catholics. Honestly, if I had to argue with every arminian, Pentecostal, and Paedobaptist with how clearly they are wrong and in contradiction with tradition and most importantly the Scripture, my head would explode!
 
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I'm in the real world everyday bra. Lol I have atheists, followers of Nietzsche, Pentecostals, ordained ministers, Mormons, Gospel Hall Christians, (two pesky Roman Catholic ladies) etc. that visit me on a weekly basis. I feel like I'm in the Lyceum! Our discussions are much deeper than a tract and range from Augustine's City of God to Joseph Smith. One atheist who became a friend once threatened to punch me in the nose because he was frustrated when confronted with God's Law. Lol its exhausting.

I'm lucky to work at a library.

jm
 
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Sometimes, but in the end theological differences aren't small potatoes, they're giant potatoes.
 
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It appears you interpreted my response as some sort of impugning of your missionary zeal or something. Perhaps there is a relation to it though, because it seems sore to you and that wasn't even what I was getting at. Being that I do not know exactly how you feel, and I have misunderstood your concern, I'll let you think about that.
 
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JM, imagine how it was for the Lord Jesus when they followed Him everywhere trying to trap Him in His talk. Imagine the Apostles being constantly hounded by those who opposed the truth of God. We do what the Lord puts in our hands to do and trust the outcomes to Him. If He gives us opportunity to defend His Gospel we do so with love and faith. Yet we are not to entangle ourselves with questions that gender strife and controversy just to distract. We seek always to make folks deal with the record God has given of His Son and the claims of Christ. When it comes to the small potatoes we deal with it as briefly as we can.

BTW, when you speak truth you offend folks and step on toes. Never be shy of the offense of the Gospel.
 
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I always admired JM's 'gospel sharin'. I follow him on Twitter.
 
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