Sin doesn't even require an action does it?

Blade · Nov 11, 2022

The simple answer is no it does not. We all get thoughts, tempted but its when we entertain that thought listen to it play with it that it becomes ours and then sin.

And also no where in the word unless I missed it does it say hint at Eve created the original sin. Sin was found in Satan. All evil, sin goes back to Satan. Adam and Eve like you and me today listen to a lie and then make a choice. We just forget to see just what one sin can do. Same thing happens today by a simple white (no such thing) lie. That will ripple through you those around you give the enemy the right to you those around you. If you doubt look back to the book of beginnings. Adam and Eve gave in to just that tiny lie and look what it gave the enemy the right to. Sin in this world has a price still it will always equal death

timothyu · Nov 11, 2022

Blade said:
Sin was found in Satan. All evil, sin goes back to Satan.

We as humans are concerned wit the sins of man. Jesus didn't die for the sin of Satan which is the same as ours, putting our will ahead of the will of God.

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2022

timothyu said:
Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of
old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh
on a woman to lust after her hath committed
adultery with her already in his heart.

Either way you are putting your will first

Matt 4 - Christ was tempted - but He did not yield to it.

timothyu · Nov 11, 2022

BobRyan said:
Matt 4 - Christ was tempted - but He did not yield to it.

Your point? What He did was in order to bring the Kingdom of God to fruition. Is that asked of you or the rest of us? What is asked... His two commandments?

Mark Quayle · Nov 11, 2022

timothyu said:
Original sin was putting our self interest (our will) ahead of the will of God.

Thanks, that's better. That's quite a few steps closer to "sin", beyond the notion of mere animal instincts.

public hermit · Nov 11, 2022

Mark Quayle said:
Thanks, that's better. That's quite a few steps closer to "sin", beyond the notion of mere animal instincts.

If you can't get past your animal instincts, i.e., selfishness, then you definitely can't get past sin. Grace doesn't just let you indulge in your inherent selfishness. If it does, it isn't grace.

Mark Quayle · Nov 11, 2022

public hermit said:
If you can't get past your animal instincts, i.e., selfishness, then you definitely can't get past sin. Grace doesn't just let you indulge in your inherent selfishness. If it does, it isn't grace.

Obviously.

His description to which I objected makes it sound reasonable to think animals are then sinful too. But instinct isn't sin. Our sin goes much deeper than mere self-interest and animal instinct.

public hermit · Nov 11, 2022

Mark Quayle said:
Obviously.

His description to which I objected makes it sound reasonable to think animals are then sinful too. But instinct isn't sin. Our sin goes much deeper than mere self-interest and animal instinct.

What is that deeper part?

timothyu · Nov 11, 2022

Mark Quayle said:
That's quite a few steps closer to "sin", beyond the notion of mere animal instincts.

But animal instincts are one half of our dual nature and are completely self absorbing.

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2022

timothyu said:
Your point? What He did was in order to bring the Kingdom of God to fruition. Is that asked of you or the rest of us? What is asked... His two commandments?

IN Matt 22 Jesus upholds the Law of Moses by stating these two commandments

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

Jesus said that on these two commands in the Law of Moses - depend all the Word of God - all Laws of God.

And amazingly, the Jews agreed.

What He did not say is "it is ok to take God's name in vain" or to worship false gods. The idea that only Christ had to comply with that - but Christians are free to worship false gods - is not a teaching you hear very often.

Mark Quayle · Nov 11, 2022

timothyu said:
But animal instincts are one half of our dual nature and are completely self absorbing.

So is our sin nature merely animal?

timothyu · Nov 11, 2022

BobRyan said:
IN Matt 22 Jesus upholds the Law of Moses by stating these two commandments

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

Yes and that is what was asked of us.. along with spread the good news that God was returning to take away governance of man from man assume the role for Himself once again. All three go against the way the world we have made in our own image is run, especially today.

Mark Quayle · Nov 11, 2022

timothyu said:
But animal instincts are one half of our dual nature and are completely self absorbing.

What is the other half, and what is the difference then, between us and animals?

timothyu · Nov 11, 2022

Mark Quayle said:
What is the other half, and what is the difference then, between us and animals?

The part God made in His own image (which animals do not have).

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2022

BobRyan said:
IN Matt 22 Jesus upholds the Law of Moses by stating these two commandments

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

Jesus said that on these two commands in the Law of Moses - depend all the Word of God - all Laws of God.

timothyu said:
Yes and that is what was asked of us.. along with spread the good news

Well as noted above - that would be "All of scripture" not just two verses of - according to Christ. And the Jews agreed.

timothyu said:
All three go against the way the world we have made in our own image is run, especially today.

No doubt - God's gospel is against the sinful fallen world that we live in. "The World, the flesh and the devil"

BobRyan · Nov 11, 2022

duplicate

Mark Quayle · Nov 11, 2022

public hermit said:
What is that deeper part?

Romans 8:5-14, particularly 7 and 8. Romans 5:1, considering that we are at enmity with God according to our nature, until God gives us re-birth. Animals are not.

timothyu · Nov 11, 2022

BobRyan said:
Well as noted above - that would be "All of scripture" not just two verses of - according to Christ. And the Jews agreed.

Jesus summed up what was required of us by condensing the 10 commandments which was previously required of is. That and His gospel are all that really matters if nothing else is learned. The rest is history and background info. It isn't even necessary to learn how to build a religion.

BobRyan said:
No doubt - God's gospel is against the sinful fallen world that we live in

Right. His Kingdom is polar opposite in principles and why there will be rebellion when He returns

Mark Quayle · Nov 11, 2022

timothyu said:
The part God made in His own image (which animals do not have).

So where is the sin? Where is the enmity with God?

timothyu · Nov 11, 2022

Mark Quayle said:
So where is the sin? Where is the enmity with God?

Putting our will ahead of His. It became a problem when we came to know what they did about good and evil and we began to self determine right and wrong for ourselves according to our wants rather than to what someone with the manual and a greater understanding and sense of responsibility tells us.

Sin doesn't even require an action does it?

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