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To care for the poor, the widows and the orphans is a religious belief, so then you agree that our religious beliefs should inform our policies.my point was that the Civil Rights Act is a good thing because it ensures that racists engaged in serving the public must not discriminate. They can have all the little racist and underdeveloped thoughts they want floating around in their head; but they cannot act on them when engaged in business.
Would a good example include programs that help the poor and efforts to root out corruption from government? Because the definition of religion is to care for the poor and to deal with corruption.Should religious belief inform public policy? No. Christians and other religious need to worry about themselves . Instead of forcing the moral belief on the rest us. They should set a good example.
To care for the poor, the widows and the orphans is a religious belief,
I will continue to dismiss the misuse of the word "control".No, I already told you that isn't how I'm using the term. You can continue making a straw man out of my argument, but I will just dismiss it.
Wow! How? Religion is simply a word with a definition. When you say "religion" I understand a concern for the poor and to eliminate corruption from the world. I do not define religion based on theist, or pan theist, or atheist.ONLY insofar as religious people think they have a corner on the market of being decent.
It is essentially telling us atheists that we are evil and want to hurt people all the time.
That is extremely insulting. I would ask that you moderate this position but it is still a common thought.
Wow! How? Religion is simply a word with a definition.
I guess what I am really telling atheists is stop projecting your paranoia on others.
Nobody is suggesting that the government should reject a useful policy just because it is also a religious belief. On the other hand, being a religious belief is not sufficient reason in itself to adopt a policy.The Bible definition of religion is to care for widows and orphans in their affliction and to be free of the world's corruption.
Anyone who thinks we need to deal with corruption in government, that is a religious belief. Anyone who thinks we need to have social policies that help the poor, that is a religious belief. If you don't think we should, that also is a religious belief.
Anyone who voted that these beliefs should not inform your policies is clueless about what religion is.
I understand a concern for the poor and to eliminate corruption from the world. I do not define religion based on theist, or pan theist, or atheist.
Pure religion is to care for the poor and to deal with corruption. That is the definition in the book of James, that is the Biblical definition. He does not say it is a Christian idea, or a Jewish idea, or God's idea. All people have religion, this is what it is. You cannot define religion as being Christian, or Buddhist, or Pantheist, or even Atheist because all people have religion, it is an essential element of what it is to be human. Mankind is the only species on this planet that is "Eusocial" as defined by Dr. E.O. Wilson that has to teach itself to be Eusocial. Bumble bees, Ants, termites, it is programmed into their DNA, but we are descended from Apes who are not Eusocial. We have to teach ourselves to be, and that education is referred to as "religion".You said clearly that care for the poor is a religious idea. It is not. It is a HUMAN idea. Yes, most religions also have that as part of their dogma, but it is a pretty common thought among Christians that those how lack faith lack morality.
Then stop acting like all the "virtues" are yours alone.
I get it, you don't know the Bible. James defined religion in his book, generally considered the first book of the New Testament that was written. "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." This is not my definition.So your definition of religion has nothing to do with religion per se? Got it. My apologies. I am still stuck using terms as they are normally understood.
Perhaps the approach you should take is to become more educated and less arrogant. Once again, not my definition, the person who just decided to make up a definition is you.You just decided to "make up" a definition of religion that is sui generis and you tell me I'm biased because I didn't read your mind and use your unique-to-you definition?
Got it!
Brilliant, by the way. I need to take this approach. It'll make conversation MUCH more difficult, but communication is so "passe".
There are two categories of "pure religion".But look at the public policies we are being urged to adopt because they are religious issues:
No abortion.
No "out" LGBTs
No gun control.
No amnesty for Central American Refugees.
No action on global warming.
and lately,
No wearing masks in public.
How does your "pure" religion justify that?
Pure religion is to care for the poor and to deal with corruption. That is the definition in the book of James, that is the Biblical definition.
Once again you are projecting your paranoia on others.
I get it, you don't know the Bible. James defined religion in his book, generally considered the first book of the New Testament that was written. "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." This is not my definition.
Perhaps the approach you should take is to become more educated and less arrogant. Once again, not my definition, the person who just decided to make up a definition is you.
Buddhism and Confucianism are considered two of the major religions in the world, the only thing common between these two and Islam and Christianity (two other major religions) is the definition that James gives -- care of the poor and dealing with corruption from the world.
But that's what all religions want, especially Conservative Christians.I will continue to dismiss the misuse of the word "control".
That is a personal definition inion that is non-standard. I don't agree at all.The Bible definition of religion is to care for widows and orphans in their affliction and to be free of the world's corruption.
Anyone who thinks we need to deal with corruption in government, that is a religious belief. Anyone who thinks we need to have social policies that help the poor, that is a religious belief. If you don't think we should, that also is a religious belief.
Anyone who voted that these beliefs should not inform your policies is clueless about what religion is.
But that's what all religions want, especially Conservative Christians.
There are programs for the poor. That Republicans like to pull funding away. For greed. Conservative are part of this problem. They are free to go to church. But not force their moral laws on us. Catholics and other religions do charities. So they are free to do that all ready.Would a good example include programs that help the poor and efforts to root out corruption from government? Because the definition of religion is to care for the poor and to deal with corruption.
Instead of wasting my time what is your definition of religion that would be true of all religions in the world?I actually DO know the bible, I just have not memorized YOUR preferred verses. Thanks, though.
But that is faulty reasoning.
That definition does not apply to some of the religions and is extremely vague. For example, Confucianism doesn't have anything to do with the service, worship of God or the supernatural.That is a personal definition inion that is non-standard. I don't agree at all.
When one defines religion in a way that everything becomes religion, they have lost the thread.
Religion Definition:
The definitive Oxford English Dictionary:
Other Dictionaries
Mirian Webster:
1. the service and worship of God or the supernatural
2. commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
Cambridge:
the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship.
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