Should it apply?

Antoninus Verus · Jan 15, 2005

Should the "dont knock it till you try it" rule/argument work for religion?

morningstar2651 · Jan 15, 2005

Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins.

hernyaccent · Jan 15, 2005

MJ421 · Jan 15, 2005

Define what you mean to "knock" it. I don't have to believe in a religion before I can rule it out, if that's what you mean.

Ben Borg Again · Jan 15, 2005

do suicide cults apply?

RadicalRabbit · Jan 15, 2005

ummm I have no desire to try satan worship, but I must admit I have knocked it on occasion....

seebs · Jan 15, 2005

morningstar2651 said:
Never criticize a man until you've walked a mile in his moccasins.

Yeah, because then, you're a mile away, and he's got no shoes!

CSMR · Jan 15, 2005

Antoninus Verus said:
Should the "dont knock it till you try it" rule/argument work for religion?

I don't see a working argument there. If you find the truth then surely you should "knock" whatever is false, whether you have "tried it" or not?

kedaman · Jan 15, 2005

knock it if its false.

Faithful nonbeliever · Jan 15, 2005

kedaman said:
knock it if its false.

Hence the problem,
Everyone assumes they are following the "true" path, while all other paths are false. If you had been brought up muslim you'd be knocking christianity.
Most likely nearly everyone is wrong.

kedaman · Jan 15, 2005

Deus said:
Hence the problem,
Everyone assumes they are following the "true" path, while all other paths are false. If you had been brought up muslim you'd be knocking christianity.
Most likely nearly everyone is wrong.

By assuming something it doesn't mean that its true. But by finding a contradiction in something, you see that its false.

Faithful nonbeliever · Jan 15, 2005

kedaman said:
By assuming something it doesn't mean that its true. But by finding a contradiction in something, you see that its false.

Well many would say that there are prevalent contradictions in christianity, even though you probably wouldn't agree with them. Just as muslims or jews wouldn't agree that you have found contradictions in their faith. There are many astounding supernatural claims that can't be disproven, but I see no reason to believe in any of them.

morningstar2651 · Jan 15, 2005

Now we're getting logical.

Without proven true premises, you cannot prove your conclusion.

Lifesaver · Jan 15, 2005

Religions provide different beliefs, that is, articles that can be true or false.
What every person ought to do is believe in what is true and discard what is false.
To know that something is false, one needn't have ever believed in it (I know dogs cannot speak, and I have never "tried" this belief).

Therefore, it is perfectly possible for someone to discard a religion they know to be false without having ever believed in it; the saying does not apply.

morningstar2651 · Jan 15, 2005

Now we're delving into knowledge.

But now we run into the Gettier problem.

kedaman · Jan 16, 2005

Deus said:
Well many would say that there are prevalent contradictions in christianity, even though you probably wouldn't agree with them. Just as muslims or jews wouldn't agree that you have found contradictions in their faith. There are many astounding supernatural claims that can't be disproven, but I see no reason to believe in any of them.

I haven't found contradictions in their faith, I just don't care looking for any. Its utterly pointless. I'd rather look for contradictions in my own faith. You point out one and I would agree.

morningstar2651 said:
Now we're getting logical.

Without proven true premises, you cannot prove your conclusion.

That is also true but utterly pointless. Though you can find a set of premises inconsistent, you can never find them to be consistent, let a lone true.

Lifesaver said:
Religions provide different beliefs, that is, articles that can be true or false.
What every person ought to do is believe in what is true and discard what is false.
To know that something is false, one needn't have ever believed in it (I know dogs cannot speak, and I have never "tried" this belief).

Therefore, it is perfectly possible for someone to discard a religion they know to be false without having ever believed in it; the saying does not apply.

I think religion has nothing to do with knowledge. It has to do with morality.

Lifesaver · Jan 16, 2005

Then what do you think faith is, kedaman, if not the belief in certain things such as the Divinity of Jesus Christ, the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, etc?

kedaman · Jan 16, 2005

It is what you are saying, it is just that it is misunderstood, and as it says in your signature, unless you believe, you cannot understand..

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