Should Christians interact with Gays at all?

Polycarp1 · Nov 29, 2008

max1120 said:
I really do not get the point here. I do feel that all homosexual and transgendered persons are asking for is basic human rights. They want to be treated with the dignity and repect you expect yourself from othes.

Polycarp: Please explain this:
"sexual intercourse is anatomically,biologically,and pshycologically impossible between same gender mammels" I do notknow where you are getting your information but I can tell you I have seen it myself. In fact bisexuality occurs quite frequently in nature.

Polycarp, you also said "christians live in fear of reprisals in most puplic and priviate colleges these days" I doubt that,but could you explain your point? I doubt that people are making a list and going out and beating up christians at universities across the country. Christians just minding there own business are being attacked? I would like to know more about this if you can share.

I am saying this in attempt to understand and to show you that other Christians disagree with you. I am not doing this out anger or disrepect for your views.

I too would like to see the answers to these questions. In the "same-sex sexual intercourse" instance, I suspect he is playing the semantic game of restricting "sexual intercourse" to the meaning penis in vagina.

And as a personal favor, would you kindly use his board name, "Polycarp_fan"? I used this name for nearly five years here before he began using that name, and I've had people confused by the similarity in the two. Attempting to distinguish between our positions was reported to the moderators as attempting to call him out, even though I specifically made clear my intent. Therefore, I'm concerned to have my own view, that Christian charity extends to our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, distinguished from his, which has been amply evidenced here. Thanks.

Braunwyn · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp1 said:
And as a personal favor, would you kindly use his board name, "Polycarp_fan"? I used this name for nearly five years here before he began using that name, and I've had people confused by the similarity in the two. Attempting to distinguish between our positions was reported to the moderators as attempting to call him out, even though I specifically made clear my intent. Therefore, I'm concerned to have my own view, that Christian charity extends to our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, distinguished from his, which has been amply evidenced here. Thanks.

When I first ran across one of your posts, I was totally shocked to read so much compassion coming from polycarp...._fan lol and that I agreed with him. Of course, I found out that I was mistaken, and it was you.

Your style of writing and message is so different. It's pretty easy to distinguish at this point.

Pliny the Elder · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
Christians live in fear of reprisals in most public and private colleges these days. Soulforce is even attacking Christians in their private schools to accept gay culture or be labeled a bigot, homophobe and this newest neologism a spiritual hater. GLBT's sure appear to want complete rule and even in the spiritual realm as well. Go to the Soulforce website and see for yourself.

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You have been attacking them for years and trying everything in your power to oppress them and then you have the gall to complain when they fight for the very rights you are trying to oppress, which I might add is not an attack.

Sexual "intercourse" is anatomically, biologically and physiologically impossible between same-gender mammals. But, if you disagree with homosexuality as a normal and equal sex act to what opposite gender individuals do sexually, you are immediately attacked. Science supports the opposition to normalizing gay sex, but you see the opposite reaction from those promoting the GLBT culture.

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Science is not your friend here when both the scientific community and the APA have declared homosexuality to be normal. And it most certainly is possible since it occurs.
Science does not support opposition to the fact that homosexuality is biologically and psychologically normal.

Is Prudhomme gay? If not, this would be an example of a thread derial.

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No you just fail to see the logic in his comment.

Pliny the Elder · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
Nazi stands for National Socialist or National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei - often abbreviated NSDAP). In English Nazi is also used as an adjective.

Ring an American bell?

What religion is now being ghettoized?

Seperation of church and state right?

Nazism has nothing to do with socialism in fact it is the opposite of socialism, it is what happens when conservatism goes too far just as communism is what happens when liberalism goes too far.

Pliny the Elder · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp1 said:
No, that is the agenda of the Religious Right minority faction, which is tryng very hard to usurp exclusive use of the term Christian. The Christian agenda is to follow Jesus Christ, the One who said "Do unto others as you would wish them to do unto you," and "Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, you have done it unto Me," and "Return good for evil." Something far and away different from the self-righteous posing and sneering, and efforts to bully and condemn others, that characterize the Religious Right.

Polycarp, I was just trying to show him how ridiculous his comment about the gay agenda is.
I would also like to thank you for showing what true compassion for your fellow humans is like and restoring my faith in the good of man which is something that PCF does not.

KCKID · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
Sounds very Jerry Falwell. To me. What an accurate perspective he had.

You ASSUME too much PC_F. I live in Australia ...have for the past 28 years. While I know who Jerry Falwell is/was I otherwise have no idea what you're talking about.

Polycarp_fan said:
You believe what you write? The standard atheist, liberal, progressive, gay, lesbian or common anti-Christian, denigrate Christians as easily as you have just done, all of the time. These people are not here seeking reasons to convert. They are seeking a pound of flesh in the time honored way.

Gobble-de-[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]. I have no idea what you're talking about or where you're coming from. I DO feel, however, that you (your posts) display the symptoms of OC (obsessive/compulsive) and also exhibit a great deal of paranoia. Maybe there's a tad of persecution complex in there as well, not too sure about that one.

Polycarp_fan said:
It's my thread and it would instantly do away with ALL of the strife between Christians and GLBT's, IF Christians would do as Jesus says and leave people alone that refuse the Gospel. Jesus wasn't a universalist. No matter how hard you try to repaint Him.

I have a friend from Lebanon. He's a Muslim. He sees no reason to convert to Christianity although he does believe that Jesus was a good man. He refuses the Gospel because he sees no need for it. As I say, he's a Muslim. He, like the homosexual, is condemned to your version of hell, isn't he, PC_F?

You know, God gave you a HUGE burden of attempting to steer people away from the VERY cruel and insane punisment that He set up for them in the very beginning, PC_F. You hear that? God set up (your version of) hell SPECIFICALLY to punish people! Even before He created the first person He knew that MANY would be destined for this place! And yet He still created them. Do you ever ask God why He felt it necessary to torment (torture?) people for all eternity and then give YOU the responsibility of trying to prevent this from happening to people by quoting a few ambiguous texts from the Bible? Do you ever feel utterly stupid for believing as you do?

Polycarp_fan said:
Well, we know what He taught about marriage being a man and a woman now don't "we?"

Hmmm . . .obsessive/compulsive. Yet again you refer to something that has already been disputed many times previously. Why do you keep doing this? Jesus didn't teach any such thing. He simply directed the Pharisees to words from the Torah.

Polycarp_fan said:
You think? How judgmental is that?

Gobble-de-[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth].

Polycarp_fan said:
You can ONLY do that BY using scripture correctly. Guess what happens then to celebrating gay activism? How about just a little accuracy huh?

Ditto. (Gobble-de-[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], that is).

PC_F ...please answer this question once and for all. What PRECISELY is it that bothers you so much about two people of the same gender wanting to couple up? I just don't understand why such a trivial thing would bother you so much to the extent that you feel that such a thing will be responsible for destroying life as we know it. THIS has become a crusade to you ...'crusader' complex, perhaps. So, what's the problem?

Hope to hear from you soon.

SallyNow · Nov 29, 2008

allhart said:
I don't think a lot of gay people even care about the institution of marriage. Its is about destroying it. Its Being in rebellion to God and recognition of their rebellion to God and if there wasn't a institution of marriage needed. There wouldn't have been a need to create women in the first place.

Um, what? I know gay people who have come to Canada so that they can live in a legally-sanctioned monogamous, homosexual legal union. So, they do care about it, and many just want to be able to do things like take their kids to school, buy a house, open a bank account without a huge hassle every time. Many want to make their monogamous relationship legally binding.

And, guess what... there are homosexual (gay) females. I know, it might come as a shock, but there are.

There are also gay Christians, so really, this whole idea that "wanting to have a relationship legally recognized = wanting to destroy said legal recognition" is just silly.

IzzyPop · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
I put those together as a run on.

Still doesn't answer my questions.

Polycarp_fan said:
You realize how absurd you look? My posts have a consistency to them that escapes no one. Not even you. I'll go for your kindergarten comeback as it certainly doesn't make my positions go away. You guys have employed every angle, even the self-loathing gay guy routine, and still you haven't altered reality one bit.

Smile on Poppy.

Your posts are consistent. Consistently fallacious and illogical.

And to, be honest, I don't care one whit if I change a single notion in that self-absorbed head of yours. I respond to you simply for the lurkers. To be a foil against the hatred and sheer wrongness you hold up as the way to be a good person.

allhart · Nov 29, 2008

SallyNow said:
Um, what? I know gay people who have come to Canada so that they can live in a legally-sanctioned monogamous, homosexual legal union. So, they do care about it, and many just want to be able to do things like take their kids to school, buy a house, open a bank account without a huge hassle every time. Many want to make their monogamous relationship legally binding.

And, guess what... there are homosexual (gay) females. I know, it might come as a shock, but there are.

There are also gay Christians, so really, this whole idea that "wanting to have a relationship legally recognized = wanting to destroy said legal recognition" is just silly.

Gay Christians, That is another topic you can claim to be a lot of thing ,but that doesn't mean you are!!
As to look at Romans 1
Gods Wrath on Unrighteousness

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

KCKID · Nov 29, 2008

allhart said:
Gay Christians, That is another topic you can claim to be a lot of thing ,but that doesn't mean you are!!
As to look at Romans 1
Gods Wrath on Unrighteousness

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Suggestion. Get your head out of a book that was written by men in times and culture SO different from that of ours and apply your Christianity to some practical use. Christianity 2009 ...the year that Christians finally figured out what Christianity was all about and got it together. Ooh, I get the chills just thinking about this.

Polycarp_fan · Nov 29, 2008

KCKID said:
Suggestion. Get your head out of a book that was written by men in times and culture SO different from that of ours

Satan would love that. How is pagan Roman times any different than what the western world 2008 embraces? Nero and Caligula back as heroes.

and apply your Christianity to some practical use.

Protecting children is a great endeavor.

Christianity 2009 ...the year that Christians finally figured out what Christianity was all about and got it together. Ooh, I get the chills just thinking about this.

They got it right in California in 2008.

No matter what you think and what you attempt to do to the Church, you will not accomplish as much debauchery as you think you will.

Polycarp_fan · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp1 said:
I too would like to see the answers to these questions. In the "same-sex sexual intercourse" instance, I suspect he is playing the semantic game of restricting "sexual intercourse" to the meaning penis in vagina.

And as a personal favor, would you kindly use his board name, "Polycarp_fan"? I used this name for nearly five years here before he began using that name, and I've had people confused by the similarity in the two. Attempting to distinguish between our positions was reported to the moderators as attempting to call him out, even though I specifically made clear my intent. Therefore, I'm concerned to have my own view, that Christian charity extends to our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters, distinguished from his, which has been amply evidenced here. Thanks.

How many anti Christians cheer your perspectives?

Polycarp_fan · Nov 29, 2008

LJSGM said:
None of you Christians are being persecuted because of Christ, you are being persecuted because your "religion" is come to be associated with bigotry and hatred, in which I don't blame them. It is the spiritual climate in America, pharisicalism is mainstream. It's the "in thing" to do.

And on the other hand you have decadent sodomy celebrated by people that claim not to be Christian and those that do.

European chickens coming home to roost.

Polycarp_fan · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp1 said:
No, that is the agenda of the Religious Right minority faction, which is tryng very hard to usurp exclusive use of the term Christian. The Christian agenda is to follow Jesus Christ, the One who said "Do unto others as you would wish them to do unto you," and "Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least of these, you have done it unto Me," and "Return good for evil." Something far and away different from the self-righteous posing and sneering, and efforts to bully and condemn others, that characterize the Religious Right.

Again Polycarp1, you are not concerned that so many anti Christians applaud your brand of Christianity?

I'd like an answer.

Polycarp_fan · Nov 29, 2008

OllieFranz said:
While it is good that you have "compassion" for "disturbed" transsexuals, your post does not answer geekgirlkelli's question about the intersex. Unless it is the same answer that she has gotten from other Conservative Christians -- a refusal to accept that the intersexed exist.

I am a conservative Christian, I attend many different Churches and interact with many Christians and none of them have the slightest problem with a hermaphrodite. Why would they?

Now, if this person were to start peddling the gay agenda in any one of the Churches I attend, then they would be asked to repent, and if they refused they would be asked to find another Church that celebrates unrepentance. Looking over to my left and viewing Churches there, I see many place where this person would find a seat.

From Merriam-Webster Online:

Main Entry:trans·sex·u·al

Variant(s):also tran·sex·u·al \(&#716tran(t)s-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -shəl\ Function:noun Date:1957 : a person who strongly identifies with the opposite sex and may seek to live as a member of this sex especially by undergoing surgery and hormone therapy to obtain the necessary physical appearance (as by changing the external sex organs)
— transsexual adjective
— trans·sex·u·al·ism

also tran·sex·u·al·ism \-sh(ə-)wə-ˌli-zəm, -shə-ˌli-\ noun
— trans·sex·u·al·i·ty

also tran·sex·u·al·i·ty \-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\ noun

Main Entry:in·ter·sex

Pronunciation: \ˈin-tər-ˌseks\ Function:noun Etymology:International Scientific VocabularyDate:1910 : an intersexual individual

Main Entry:in·ter·sex·u·al

Pronunciation: \ˌin-tər-ˈsek-shə-wəl, -shwəl, -shəl\ Function:adjective Etymology:International Scientific VocabularyDate:circa 1866 1 : existing between sexes <intersexual hostility> 2 : intermediate in sexual characters between a typical male and a typical female
— in·ter·sex·u·al·i·ty

\-ˌsek-shə-ˈwa-lə-tē\ noun
— in·ter·sex·u·al·ly

\-ˈsek-shə-wə-lē, -shwə-lē, -shə-lē\ adverb

The most common form of intersexual person is the classic hermaphrodite, born with some sexual organs of both sexes, but there are also those whose external organs appear to be normal but they have internal organs for both sexes or for the opposite sex, and there are genetically intersexed individuals, such as XXY's whose bodies look like girls, despite having a Y chromosome and X's who develop as boys despite the lack of a Y chromosome. In both cases, their further development during puberty are different from the devlopment of "normal" boys and girls.

Let them decide which gender they want to be and end of issue.

But if they seek a homosexual life and lifestyle, that would be their choice. And of course that would carry accountability and consequences all its own.

Mling · Nov 29, 2008

Well, I hope Christians continue to be allowed to interact with gay people. I'd lose a lot of wonderful friends. Maybe just the ones who don't know how to be friends can back off?

Morcova · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
Bunk. I'm as conservative a Christian that has ever stood up against the bullies here, and a transexual is thought of by every Christian I have ever interacted with (which is many hundreds) as a very disturbed person that is handled with the utmost respect and compassion.

Gays, Lesbians and of course "Bi-Sexuals" are a very different kind of issue.

No doubt with the same "respect and compassion" you show here.

cheese007 · Nov 29, 2008

I love how bisexuals is in quotes. Are we ultra-super-special-evil or something?

Mling · Nov 29, 2008

cheese007 said:
I love how bisexuals is in quotes. Are we ultra-super-special-evil or something?

Oh, didn't you get the memo? You don't exist at all. You just pretend to. Like virtual particles.

Morcova · Nov 29, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
Satan would love that. How is pagan Roman times any different than what the western world 2008 embraces? Nero and Caligula back as heroes.

Pagan Rome? You mean back when Rome was an empire? You know... before christianity was introduced.

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