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I found this. She can tell you herself.I have a question on Ellen G White.. I do not know much about SDA.. but when G. White said that Jesus would come back in somewhere in 1844-1845 around, was that a misinterperatation? or do SDA believe that he has already come in 1844 and we did not recognize him??
when G. White said that Jesus would come back in somewhere in 1844-1845 around, was that a misinterperatation?
I have a question on Ellen G White.. I do not know much about SDA.. but when G. White said that Jesus would come back in somewhere in 1844-1845 around, was that a misinterperatation? or do SDA believe that he has already come in 1844 and we did not recognize him??
"During the year 1845 I met Miss Ellen G. Harmon several times at my uncle's house in South Windham, Me. The first of these meetings was in the month of May, when I heard her declare that God had revealed to her that Jesus Christ would return to this earth in June, the next month." (Lucinda Burdick, notarized letter, published in Limboline
Do you have any evidence that there were Catholics involved? I'd like to see any proof.Back in the 1840's there was a cross-denominational (Protestant and Catholic) movement of a couple of thousand preachers that believed the prophecies of Daniel pointed to the soon return of Jesus.
Ellen G. White is the SDA prophet that came out of the false predictions for Christ's return in 1843, then the Spring of 1844, and then October 22, 1844. After the date-setting fiasco came and went she had claimed to have 'visions' which confirmed that the date(s) were actually correct that the Millerites (William Miller) had set and that it was just the wrong event. Now SDA's use the 1844 date for their 'Investigative Judgment' doctrine which no other Christian group taught before or accepted since. If you're really interested in researching this topic I would suggest reading The Cultic Doctrine of Seventh Day Adventists - 1844, by Dale Ratzlaff. I see that others have already given you a link to the White Estate website and I would encourage you to read how they defend their only unique doctrine from the standpoint of EGW.I have a question on Ellen G White.. I do not know much about SDA.. but when G. White said that Jesus would come back in somewhere in 1844-1845 around, was that a misinterperatation? or do SDA believe that he has already come in 1844 and we did not recognize him??
"During the year 1845 I met Miss Ellen G. Harmon several times at my uncle's house in South Windham, Me. The first of these meetings was in the month of May, when I heard her declare that God had revealed to her that Jesus Christ would return to this earth in June, the next month." (Lucinda Burdick, notarized letter, published in Limboline
I never said she did. I clearly said that she is the (SDA) prophet that emerged from the false date-setting fiasco, which clearly goes against the Bible. On Oct. 23, 1844 (the day after the 'great disappointment') Edson had his supposed one and only vision concerning the sanctuary doctrine for coming up with an alternative event using the same dates. A couple of months later EGW (still 17 or 18) had her confirming 'vision'. Miller himself, the one who came up with the 15 proofs 'proving' (which are completely laughable, yet EGW called them a 'perfect chain of biblical truth') the second coming of Christ didn't even accept this new alternative 'event' that ultimately became the sole unique doctrine to SDAism.Hmm, EGW was all of 17 in '44 and never made any of those predictions.
Whatever fiasco you think it was, many non-Millerite theologians at that time had no problem with the dating of Daniel 8:14 ending in 1844. Most were post-millennialists, so they didn't like the application Millerites gave to it.... the false date-setting fiasco...
'Most' is a not true. Most absolutely rejected the explicitly anti-Biblical practice of date-setting. It was those who did not follow the clear instruction in Scripture that were deceived, thus causing their own 'disappointment' for not heeding to the the warnings. In the end it was all blamed on God though, that their deception was at his own hand, that the lies in the predictions were exactly as God wanted them. Nasty theology!Whatever fiasco you think it was, many non-Millerite theologians at that time had no problem with the dating of Daniel 8:14 ending in 1844. Most were post-millennialists, so they didn't like the application Millerites gave to it.
It doesn't matter how 'I' see it. Clearly Christ's atonement did not begin 1800 years after his sacrifice and presenting his blood and then sitting down at the right hand of God.Please feel free to start a thread somewhere detailing Daniel 8's fulfillment as you see it.
Just so you know, I was born and raised in the SDA church and school system and I pastored for 10 years as an SDA pastor. I left almost a year ago over this and many other problems and issues with SDA beliefs, teachings, and doctrines. It's a big onion to peel and it's layers have multiplied over the past 150+ years, so don't expect to get to a bottom line quickly.
Every time I read something like this I am amazed and shake my head. Here we have a person who was born and raised in a denomination and schooled in their educational systems and worked as a pastor and evangelist for years. Fully accepting all of what that denomination taught for years then suddenly decided one of the doctrines was wrong and then found many other teachings that were wrong as well. This is what forced this person out of the church.
Then on the other hand you have person like me who was at one point in his life was an agnostic who by studying the Bible came to the Seventh-day-Adventist faith. Go figure!!! I have been in and looked at many different faiths and churches and have never found one that has stayed as close to the Bible as the SDA's do. If I could I would go there. The IJ has some problems but not major ones like many ex-adventists claim. The issues with E.G.White so far as I can tell are spurious to say the least. Nit picking to find small things to complain about. I have read The Desire of Ages and The Great Controversy and both of these books blessed me greatly.
God Bless
Jim Larmore
Nothing forced me out of the SDA church, I was led out by the Holy Spirit. (I'm actually in the church the Bible refers to! You know, those believe in Jesus for their salvation and have the Holy Spirit living IN them.) If anything 'forced' me out it would be the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.Every time I read something like this I am amazed and shake my head. Here we have a person who was born and raised in a denomination and schooled in their educational systems and worked as a pastor and evangelist for years. Fully accepting all of what that denomination taught for years then suddenly decided one of the doctrines was wrong and then found many other teachings that were wrong as well. This is what forced this person out of the church.
I understand why you believe that through the proof-text method SDAism teaches to arrive at their 'peculiar' doctrines. After 19 years of schooling in the SDA system (including Andrews University), and being a pastor for 10+ years doing Revelation Seminars (in several other countries as well) and 'Prayer Meetings', and Bible studies, and 6 week Baptismal Studies, etc., I think I can speak with some semblance of authority as to how one arrives at SDA doctrines/beliefs/teachings. Add to that the fact that most all of it was founded on the 2000+ supposed 'visions' and almost 25,000,000 words writen by the SDA prophet and you have the recipe for nasty theology and doctrine (one of which is EGW herself). That is the basis you make the claim that they are more 'close to the Bible' than all other Christians.Then on the other hand you have person like me who was at one point in his life was an agnostic who by studying the Bible came to the Seventh-day-Adventist faith. Go figure!!! I have been in and looked at many different faiths and churches and have never found one that has stayed as close to the Bible as the SDA's do.
Yeah, it only denies the completed atonement of Christ, putting it off for 1800 years in order to fit with the failed 1844 dates from the Millerite movement, which Ellen White endorsed as a 'prophet'. And even then one cannot be sure of their salvation and they must perfect all character defects in themselves before his return or they will be lost. It's the SDA version of righteousness by works, and a sad one at that. There are huge problems and huge implications that stem from the IJ.If I could I would go there. The IJ has some problems but not major ones like many ex-adventists claim.
Well, we just saw one that I believe most of Christiandom would say is a major problem, not a 'nit picking' one. The SDA church has messed with the atonement Christ made at the cross.The issues with E.G.White so far as I can tell are spurious to say the least. Nit picking to find small things to complain about.
Keep reading. Many of us 'former' SDA's read and studied her line-by-line our whole lives. That's why it's easier for us to see the false teaching she promotes. I wouldn't expect those who hold a belief in her as a 'prophet' to be able to see it. But someone who establishes their beliefs from the Bible alone, not using the SDA proof-text method would not arrive at her interpretation of Scripture in many areas.I have read The Desire of Ages and The Great Controversy and both of these books blessed me greatly.
Hi Jim! I's funny how different people apparently react to things differently. I can remember well exactly when I ceased to be an SDA. It was when I was reading Ellen's apocalyptic end-time scenario in the GC. I thought to myself there is no way I can believe this drivel about the whole world rising up against the Adventists. It reeked of a persecution complex. It was so far out of anything written in the Bible or what my common sense told me was within the realm of possibility. I'm sure the Spirit can use a variety of means to reach out to people, and I guess maybe He can even use EGW, but in my case I believe He used Ellen to lead me out of SDAism. God bless! RickerI have read The Desire of Ages and The Great Controversy and both of these books blessed me greatly.
SDA's keep telling others to genuinely read Ellen and then make a judgment by what the Holy Spirit 'tells' them. So they do and the Holy Spirit tells them to run away from the false teachings, which they do, and then they say we're listening to the wrong 'spirits'.Hi Jim! I's funny how different people apparently react to things differently. I can remember well exactly when I ceased to be an SDA. It was when I was reading Ellen's apocalyptic end-time scenario in the GC. I thought to myself there is no way I can believe this drivel about the whole world rising up against the Adventists. It reeked of a persecution complex. It was so far out of anything written in the Bible or what my common sense told me was within the realm of possibility. I'm sure the Spirit can use a variety of means to reach out to people, and I guess maybe He can even use EGW, but in my case I believe He used Ellen to lead me out of SDAism. God bless! Ricker
We'll find out soon enough who knows what they are talking about.Hi Jim! I's funny how different people apparently react to things differently. I can remember well exactly when I ceased to be an SDA. It was when I was reading Ellen's apocalyptic end-time scenario in the GC. I thought to myself there is no way I can believe this drivel about the whole world rising up against the Adventists. It reeked of a persecution complex. It was so far out of anything written in the Bible or what my common sense told me was within the realm of possibility. I'm sure the Spirit can use a variety of means to reach out to people, and I guess maybe He can even use EGW, but in my case I believe He used Ellen to lead me out of SDAism. God bless! Ricker
Jesus is the final and ultimate Word of God. Those who believe in Him for salvation and have his Spirit living in them have nothing to fear of the threats of man.We'll find out soon enough who knows what they are talking about.
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