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Why not mention GC president Wilson asking Ford to accept correction on the sanctuary
that sort of looks like hair-splitting
Ok - well that sums our difference on that point pretty well.
It demonstrates a well known (among SDAs) dispute about the Law in Galatians 3 - that you also admitted is part of SDA history -- where Ellen White did write about the correct view and specifically stated that the leading members of the church of her day should not get stuck on a wrong view.
Ford's problem was the Bible and missing some basic understanding of what SDA doctrine on the IJ was claiming in the first place. I found it laughable that he could have gotten so spun around.
Why not mention GC president Wilson asking Ford to accept correction on the sanctuary
Yeah, must be why they wanted him to go with Ellen White as an authority.
It could be imagined that way.
personally i do not see why forums continue to argue Des Ford vs E.G White.That is some imagination that puts this into the mouth of GC president Wilson, writes it up in 1980, published it, and then hosted it even today on Adventist servers:
Events since Glacier View
Pastor Wilson commented that Dr. Ford did not appear really to accept this philosophy, that he required evidence before changing an opinion, and has set up his own criteria of what is acceptable evidence criteria that exclude the writings of Ellen G. White as being doctrinally authoritative.
personally i do not see why forums continue to argue Des Ford vs E.G White.
The fact is, Des Ford never was an Adventist...he never agreed with church doctrine on the nature of Christ or the sanctuary even from his earliest years (by his own admission btw). Why are we continuing to waste time with this? Des was given an option, believe church doctrine or leave...he chose unwisely and suffered the only fate available to anyone from any denomination in similar circumstances. I do not see this as a reason to claim SDA church is a false religion or whatever you are trying to do.
Why not mention GC president Wilson asking Ford to accept correction on the sanctuary
Ford's problem was the Bible and missing some basic understanding of what SDA doctrine on the IJ was claiming in the first place. I found it laughable that he could have gotten so spun around.
Yeah, must be why they wanted him to go with Ellen White as an authority.
It could be imagined that way. For me his separation from the Bible and basic logic was enough of a deal breaker to drop his story line.
When and SDA pastor or theologian gets so turned around backward that they won't even accept basic obvious Bible teaching - I know some folks will then offer them a point-blank statement that Ellen White may have made affirming that same Bible doctrine to see if the light comes on for the person all spun around at that point. Sometimes that works sometimes it does not work. I always want to ask the guy that this works on -- the "next question" which is "so how come you found the Bible so difficult to understand on this particular point?".
Nine times out of ten it turns out to be some personal preference that is backed up by a lot of guessing and assumptions.
That is some imagination that puts this into the mouth of GC president Wilson, writes it up in 1980,...
"Pastor Wilson commented that Dr. Ford did not appear really to accept this philosophy,..."
personally i do not see why forums continue to argue Des Ford vs E.G White.
"pastor Wilson" was a church administrator and did not edit or change any church doctrine at all and there is NO official church statement saying to ignore the Bible and just believe whatever Ellen White wrote about the Judgment.
Only non-SDAs try to drag Ellen White into it as we see on that thread.
Only non-SDAs try to drag Ellen White into it .
That is a good point. Those who do it make zero effort to prove that we argue the case without the Bible, or that we argue "sola scriptura" or that the most extreme imagined scenarios against our POV are met with "Sola Ellen White" as the solution. (A point established in triplicate over there on the "Question for Sevenh-day Adventists" thread). Only non-SDAs try to drag Ellen White into it as we see on that thread.
Adventists drag in Ellen White often,
Adventists drag in Ellen White often, as the official statements make clear.
Statement of Confidence in the Writings of Ellen G White - Adventist.org
We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.
A Statement of Confidence in the Spirit of Prophecy
As Seventh-day Adventists, we believe that "in His Word God has committed to men the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience" (The Great Controversy, p 7). We consider the biblical canon closed. However, we also believe, as did Ellen G White's contemporaries, that her writings carry divine authority, both for godly living and for doctrine.
https://szu.adventist.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/28_Beliefs.pdf
The Seventh-day Adventist Church Fundamental belief #18 The Gift of Prophecy
The Scriptures testify that one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Num. 12:6; 2 Chron. 20:20; Amos 3:7; Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10; 22:8, 9.)
Well we have proof that this is not the case not only in every Bible study guide SDAs have for the Bible doctrine on the judgment as Evangelists like Doug Bachelor and their study guides prove
Where all efforts to drag Ellen White into this doctrine are made by non-SDAs and SDAs are entirely satisfied with making the case "sola scriptura".
You argue the very position Ellen White stated in that thread, .
Bob, Ellen White told Adventists not to use her writings in public efforts.
I never argue that Ellen White was not an SDA. Is it your claim that no doctrine can be tested "sola scriptura" if it turns out that Ellen White also accepted it?? That seems a bit extreme.
They say such things as her writings carry divine authority, both for godly living and for doctrine.
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