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Seven Thunders of Revelations

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Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Succeeding this verse is the Seventh Trumpet:

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

What is this Mystery?

The Resurrection of the Dead and Living

1 Cor 15:51,52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

This takes us back to:

1 Thess 4:16, 17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Marriage of the Bride, the Body of Christ with the Groom, Christ.

Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

How is all this tied into the consummation of the marraige between us and Christ?

Take us back to the original Marraige:

Exo 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that [was] in the camp trembled.

The marriage has been consummated with the bride, the Corporate church Body with Christ the bridegroom.
 
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That is how I read it.Rev. 22/18-19 walt2000.
 
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Why are you trying to interpret something God has clearly chosen not to reveal to man?

By trying to answer it, you thereby violate Scripture's rule of adding to it.

Obviously it is something we do not need to know for this life or else He would have told us.

Blessings,
 
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I am not trying to answer this, I am answering /This is not adding to it, it is giving.
You are free to understand. If it is given to you to understand.walt2000
 
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It's freely given ,be the first to prove it wrong.

Revelation of Christ to John by walt2000

Let me tell you a the outset .
I had a weird start, on this . How I got started to studying revelations is hard to describe.

I got this on a ribbon like tape , The introduction being (2x7=14) segments + and with a body of (7x7 =49) segments + (2x7=14)segment finish. With a total of 77 segments long. All in scripture , consecutive that is in order , and in the same flow as set forth in ( seems all the versions) of Revelation of Christ to John in the Bible. The body being divided in to 7 x 7 or 49 segments , which I call
Things thu seen. Fourteen segments . Relating to The Four Spirits That Roam The EARTH
SEVEN THUNDERS Things which are.
1st. No. Thunder are the Seals. = 7 segments
2nd. No. Thunder The trumpets. = 7 segments
3rd. No. Thunder The Witnesses. = 7 segments
4th. No. Thunder The Earth. = 7 segments
5th. No. Thunder The WORD. = 7 segments
6th. No. Thunder The MAN. = 7 segments
7th. No. Thunder The DIVINE. = 7 segments
Things which are hereafter.
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With a body of 49 segments.
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Each of the SEVEN THUNDERS Divided in to Seven Elements . Relating to The Four Spirits That Roam The EARTH
1st. Segment Seals. 7 Elements.
2nd.Segment Trumpets. 7 Elements.
3rd.Segment Witnesses. 7 Elements.
4th. Segment Earth. 7 Elements.

5th. Segment Word. 7 Elements.
6th. Segment Man. 7 Elements.
7th. Segment Divine. 7 Elements.
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With Another body of 49 Elements.
A total number of 49+49 = 98 Segments And Elements.
Based on the germatria no. Or Palindrome , 27072.

Here goes ,

I was sound asleep, and I awoke to a clatter at the front of my house .
There were two birds, scrambling in the peak of the roof ,I thought, caught and trying to sort them self's out .
I got out of bed to see what the commotion was all about. When I got closer to them, I could see they were not fighting , one bird a great big pure white bird was protecting a little gray bird ,from some thing above .
After getting out of bed ,I ran down the stairs in front of the house ,to have a better look.
There it was a long rumbling and black ,from horizon to horizon ,east to west . I mean a black cloud, ,It was scarring little gray . The big white bird had it's wings opened as to comfort and protect , Rapping its wings around the little bird.
I yelled to my wife to come down and have a look .Needless to say Scaring the you know what ,out of her. We were in bed still sleeping.

Now not a dream , vivid in color, more a vision then a dream three dimensional and hard to describe .

Well About a year latter ,I get this letter in the mail ,from a minister in the southern States. He was telling me that he had some thing that only I would understand ,well I thought It was probably just someone trying to get money in donations . I told my wife and just about threw it in the trash can ,but I thought I would just open it up and have a look first .
Well to my surprise it was a page out of the bible with my dream in it.
that is weird don't you think?
That is how this started, I had this obsession to start studying Revelations.

The answer to the dream was, that Christ was going to give me some thing,A Vision, in Prophesy .That a lot of people, ,my own Christian brothers and sister's are going to give me trouble ,and have trouble to except. But Christ will protect me.

Shortly after that I got another Vision while I was tenting down the Alaska panhandle , A number stuck in my mind ,The number was 27072 , I just could not get that number out of my head , I was wondering what’s happening ,This was turning into an obsession. You probably had something the likes happen to you. Being so interested that nothing else mattered.

About a year, or so went by , after my return home . The number was still in my head . And my asking God and every body else, to reveal the meaning to the numbers 27072. A young Jewish lady said , it looked like a bit of her dad's Germ atria.
And she would ask her Dad what it meant. A week or so later she told me the following.

2 = difference or division, or double portion.
7 = ( you will have to look this up it is a rather long in its description).
In short it means a perfect number .I am sure you know how often it is used in the bible. i.e. Revelations.
Now in Gemartria you can toss the 0 it is used as a spacer.
In Hebrew the
No. 27 Books is the number of prophecy in new testament. i . e .Revelations. Enlightenment .

The number means. 2 = union , 7 = Christ ,you can toss the 0 , 27 = prophecy also just happens to number 27 =
No. 27 Books in the old testament. i . e .Daniel.

So put it all together ,it reads , Christ’s prophesy or his enlightenment .You should have to have little knowledge in Germ atria to follow what is coming next. But it is not necessary.

There is the little scroll in Ez.2/9, Dan.12/4. Rev.10/4 that will be
Sweet in the mouth, Sour in the stomach.

Then can I ask, can any one tell me how to interpert.Rev.10/4
using the rule in Rev. 22/18.19 .

Rev.22:18 .I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, with emphasis on (this book) Revelation ,if anyone adds to Revelation, may God add to him the plagues which are written in this book. Rev.22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book. ( of Revelation .)
An obsession , over a number. I think not, That no. came into my head, to just count the books in the bible. The only bible I could find was a K.J.V. so that is what I used. Well when came to no.27 it came out to Daniel, in the old testament. And 27 in the New Testament.
I read the Bible, over and over, and over again read the whole bible, I could not say how many times, I came to Revelation ,It struck me, in the middle of the night, that he was telling me the same story SEVEN TIMES , A SEVEN DIMENTIONAL look. JUST like DANIEL and Ezekiel. 2/9 and his LITTLE SCROLL ,So , I thought I would study it Helen Keller style.
I would see If any other, in that I mean religions, had the same interpretation that I was coming up with.
I left the catholic prospective out on purpose, I didn't want it to influence me in any way. Being a former Irish catholic. Well the opinions didn't make sense, no commonality . Now I don't consider that I'm a Albert Einstein ,but they just didn't make sense to me.

I Studied with the Seventh day, The Baptist . The Mormons ,the ,well all the religions that I, needless to say I had on hand . I got helped out of some Church’s, one minister even got fired ,a lot of them changed the study topic, women even kissed me. When the leader heard what I was saying, they got me out fast, and got out right mad, does anybody made sense?
One book ,all different. They had seven raptures. I had one with Seven dimensions.
I made a real pest of my self, as you can tell.
All I was looking for is something that they had in common with each other.

Now in this city there are a lot of Church's and I was in most of them , drawing a blank every time. All over a number 27072.
I thought I would write my own book.
By the way 27 is the trinity cubed. what I found it to be. 3 x 3 x 3 = 27 the trinity no. cubed. I will get back at the number a little later.

The Thunders, and
The sharing of some of the Thunders. To aide to the understanding of to their meaning.


The two Thunders, Share each other ( no.3 Thunders the trinity Thunder and no. 4 Thunder , Earth Thunder share each other) and are complimenting each other.


Thunder no.2 ,The seven trumpets. (SMYRNA) letter no. 2, Life ,
( 2 = union with Christ ) with emphases on the
The witness's, 3 rd. Thunder. (PERGAMAS) letter no.3, Forgiveness. 3 trinity in Christ.
THUNDER 2 ( SMYRNA), UNION is shared with THUNDER 3,( PERGAMAS), Forgiveness, WITNESSES

Thunder no.4 ,EARTH,(THYTIRA) ,promised power.Re.12-15. Letter no. 4 is shared with ,
Thunder no.5.,(SARDIS), promised clothed in White, letter no.5 (Three angel messengers) ,with emphases on THE WORD,Rev.14/6-15/5. Word Of God.
These are the only Thunders that are shared ,showing emphases on two
sublets.
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Could​
I say This again.
Unless you are compelled to study this ,I would leave it alone .Read Rev.22/18 and underline Rev.22/19
Read and judge .

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INTRODUCTION

I like to keep my victory on the top .Read from bottom up.
START of Revelation
REVELATION OF CHRIST to JOHN​
Chapter Rev. 1/1 start at the bottom 1.ONENESS, IN THE LIGHT. bottom up..

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THINGS WHICH THU SEEN




7 th. Letter. VISION OF IMAGERY EXPLAINED--- Rev.1/20
6 th. Letter. CONQUERER OF DEATH-----------------Rev.1/18
5 th. Letter. VISION OF CHRIST-------------------------Rev.1/13


4 th. Letter. VISION OF SEVEN CHURCHES---------Rev.1/11
3 rd. letter. VISION ON PATMOS-------------------------Rev.1/9
2.nd. Letter. VISION OF SECOND COMING-----------Rev.1/7
1.st. letter. MESSAGE TO THE CHURCHES----------Rev.1/4
REVELATIONS OF CHRIST TO JOHN---------------Rev.1/1


FIRST PAGE OF ELEVEN ELEMENTS-Rev.1/1-20

NEXT THE PROMISES​

7. Promise Seven church of Laodicea ------------------ Re.3/4 A THRONE
6. Promise six church of Philadelphia---------------- Re.3/7 PROTECTION
5. Promise five church of Sardis------------ Re.3/1 CLOTHED IN WHITE


4. Promise four church of Thyatira------------------------- Re.2/18 POWER
3. Promise three church of Pergamas------------- Re.2/12 FORGIVENESS
2. Promise two church of Smyrna----------- Re.2/8 NO SECOND DEATH
1. Promise one church of Ephesus---------- Re.2/1 LIFE EVER LASTING

Again
I LIKE MY REWARD TO BE ON TOP
so I put my victory at the top. REMEMBER LOOK AT THE NUMERICS of the thing.

 
Most people seem to miss this next


Things which are ( Seven Thunders)​

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Did any ONE GET RAPTURED? From OUR GROUP.
27 = perfect no.
In Hebrew the
No. 27 Books is the number of prophecy in new the testament. i . e .Revelations. Enlightenment .

The number means. 2 = union , 7 = Christ ,you can toss the 0 , 27 = Prophecy also just happens to number 27 =
No. 27 Books in the old testament. i . e .Daniel.

walt2000
 
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I always thought the seven thunders was the Mighty Angels' condemnation of the corruption of the world.



So , Well who are Raptured ?
What will the reason be , miss calculation ?
or is every one Raptured ? But me?
Well they moved it back a month . Still wrong.
walt2000
 
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SEE The Door Rapture???

Above this . Come up my people .
Come out my people,On the same Horizontal Line ,First.

Then the Two Winepress's. The Sealed, The Witnesses, and the Blessed,all on the same horizontal line.

Next all in Heaven.Next Horizontal Line. Colored.
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|'ll agree with that ,The nuts will come off the bushes at the end of oct. another miss fire. walt2000

Who's saying its at the end of oct? Man, these people just got to stop with guessing the time and date. Everyone knows the verse...
 
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Who's saying its at the end of oct? Man, these people just got to stop with guessing the time and date. Everyone knows the verse...

You must have heard about 2012 dec.21 A minister in c.a U.S.A. Everybody I know has heard of him in Canada
walt2000
 
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