Seven Thunders of Revelations

ChildOfGod97 said:

The Bible does not say what they said, John was told to lock it up.

Some answer might be found by considering what "the Seven Thunders" are.

But, I would guess only John and some angels besides God really know.

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ChildOfGod97 said:

What do you mean? The seven seals or trumpets? If so, that is an interesting and possibly correct exegesis... but it still means that the meaning in Revelation is locked.

It then would simply mean that John had details on the meaning of all of these matters, but as the Scripture does say explicitly, it was locked up for him not to tell others.

Interestedly, some have said John would live forever, and others have wondered if John does not come again... as that very verse seems to speak of that, oddly.

Anyway, would you please be more explicit, or do you have some site or something where I can look at what you are saying in detail?

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ChildOfGod97 said:

Okay, I checked a bit. I have not found what I want, which is the meat of what you are trying to get at.

I know all about being thrown out of places, but that is another matter. I read someone on the Catholic forum saying you are obsessed about Revelation. I have no problem with that. It is not like you are a cult leader with some following intentionally telling people what they want to hear instead of what the truth is, or what you see as the truth.

As for being obsessed with Revelation, I am, too. I have to admit, though, many Christians are. Clearly.

On interruptions, I think you mean "interpretations", and I do have a strict viewpoint on that I have expressed at times... but, I am also open to just about any and all interpretations, so that can be read wrong. My concern is just when people are dead set on a singular interpretation which they really should not be so dead set on. Besides the false accusation problem. Calling someone or something not evil, "evil" is a bad thing to do.

Or even calling a thief a murderer is bad. It does not help justice.

To be blunt... I will look around more, but my perspective is that you are not explaining what you are trying to say in a way people other then yourself can really understand it. One can either be honest and direct here, or not say anything at all. I generally like to be honest and direct, even if it may cause some difficulty.

I am not thinking someone can not have strong revelation, even really intense revelation from God. I am not against thinking this could be someone I personally meet. I do believe we are literally in the end times, and think people are hypocritical to say otherwise -- or pretend otherwise. Pretend. Because clearly, we are and have been for sometime. And even unbelievers show this is on their mind when they speak of "post-apocalyptic society" or show a fascination with that sort of subject matter.

But, I genuinely am not getting what you are getting at, what has gotten you so worked up.

On 'not adding or not taking away' from Revelation, I have been told that was a type of copyright. Clearly, if someone is adding to Revelation, saying such and such is "the Beast" for instance or "the harlot" they could be missing that they are worshipping the Beast or be a part of the harlot. So, in that way, I see Revelation as dangerous and a strong potential to curse those who "tamper" with it.

Conversely, you mention some famous people who have studied it and brought forth some ideas, like Lindsey who identifies the harlot as being the Catholic Church. I respect his right to say that, and he may even be right. Many Protestants with much truth in their words have identified the harlot as Rome and the Anti-Christ as the papal seat. I am, personally, however as one who keeps that under consideration and am not sure that is correct.

I consider it as a possibility, but I have not said, "That is it for sure". It is a "working theory". Like a detective might have.

Do I believe they are necessarily damned or have the curses of Revelation added to them if they are wrong? No.

This is not an offense to Catholics, though must sound it. It is not that there are not many excellent Catholics, but as a Protestant I do have issues against the system of Catholicism. On the other hand, it may be there is much right with that system. I do not have solid proof either way, but dismiss nothing without absolute proof one way or the other.

The same sort of thing might be applied to Protestants. That is just the area of this field.

Obviously, one should apply it to what is evil in such areas... not what is good. There are, of course, plenty of good Protestant Christians. I, myself, am Protestant primarily.

I can respect you have been on this subject matter for thirty years. And it must be highly frustrating to not be listened to. Two matters I identify with acutely. However, you should try and understand I really want to know what it is which has you so worked up.

I have to work very hard to put what I want to say in words so people can understand me. Very often, I have not done this and it becomes as indecipherable to them. For instance, I work in computers and can totally confuse a layperson on matters that seem incredibly trivial to me, whereas other experts would have no problem understanding what I say. To speak to laypeople I have to carefully construct what I am saying using terms they will understand.

I have been in a way that everything I was desperately trying to communicate to people did not come out right. It came out like some metaphor. I did not see this because I was so deep into it, but one person finally said to me, 'it sounds like you have a lot of pieces of the puzzle, but have to get more down to earth to say it'. And he was right. And it was not about Revelation, per se, but simply that everything was as though I was a person who spoke another language entirely.

You might think I am lying when I am saying this, but I assure you I am not, and that is: believe me when I say I search for the meaning of Revelation. I am wary of looking through the endless theories, however. I have found so much dross that way and very little precious metal. Instead, I have primarily put my searches into thought and prayer and study of Scripture.

Further, I have just visited this site and your post pops up right away. It came right across my path like that. So, I really want to know what you are getting at. But, I simply do not get what you are saying with the graph.

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