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There is a phenomonon particular to Gods children,
and the worldly person.
It is the capability to inflict self pain.
Ever hear of "Misery loves company"?

When we ourselves cannot or will not examine our inner man,
choose to ignore our spirits urging for healing;
we lose our ability to maintain our relationship with God.

A mouthful isn't it?

Dealing with many feelings,broken spirits,and wounded hearts,
over many years this has proven itself as truth.
Were you aware that "fear" has many avenues within the
human psyche?

It can, in rare cases "kill",or physically afflict a person.
So intertwined within us is the fragility of our own minds
that the self can do this.
Perhaps the best example of this are those who fill the
mental facilities in our world today.

We have the ability to hamper our own salvation,
through our own self-torment.

This can be a choice of the self,
a decision to not deal with the pain and sufferings
of living our life today.

Many christians have placed the delusion upon themselves
that once having salvation, then life will be wonderful,
that they will soon be perfect,and that nothing will
afflict them as it once did.

A wonderful illusion,but a lie nevertheless.

There are parameters within Gods ways,
in which He will not work.
For He has found that sometimes His creation
must fend for themselves to understand a specific lesson
that He is frequently teaching them.

There is a close tie to self-actualization,introspection,
or self-awareness within Gods plan of things?

Would that, all christians could go through this process
prior to their salvation.
It would make understanding their relationship
with their God so much easier.

Knowing themselves to the best of ones ability,
frees the soul from much selfishness within.
Preparing the spirit for the knowledge of God,
through an untainted vessel for Him.

The " anxiety" in life creates the "fears" of today,
stresses do this?
The "panic" attacks set in,crippling,creating isolation,
the many thoughts of aloness.
The physical you becomes afflicted, your world
christian or otherwise shuts down.
Deep self-torment then separates you from your God
in your mind.

By this time most "hope" is waning,
and we did this to ourselves.
After all self-torment is a indirect product
of selfishness.
My how good we are at this facet
of suffering?

It is then easy for "denial" to take control.
A place of no spiritual growth,distanced from your God,
a land of self-permissive lies told to you,by you.
The saddest reality is that you have allowed you to
believe your own lie!

Such is the power of the human mind,
if you allow it!


"Be not deceived; God is not mocked; for what-soever
a man soweth,that shall he also reap."
Galatians 6:7

"Check up on yourselves.Are you really Christians?
Do you pass the test? Do you feel Christ's
presence and power more and more within you
Or are you just pretending to be Christians when
actually you aren't at all?"
2Corinthians 13:5 ... TLB.

"Ye are of God,little children,and have overcome them:
because greater is he that is in you,
than he that is in the world."
1st.John 4:4


In His love, lampwicke xxx
 

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lampwicke,

I'm sure you didn't intend this, especially as you've ended with kisses, but this post could appear to some as rather condemnatory.

If I was feeling anxious and emotional, and popped into "deeper felllowship" for some "edification" I might come away feeling accused of bringing it upon myself and not even being a Christian!

Thank fully, I am feeling okayish today, but someone might not be.

There is a case for gently nudging some of us depressive types out of our introspection sometimes, but there needs to be some carrot offered as well as the stick! What hope or encouragement are you offering the distressed?

I apologise if I have misunderstood you - please set me straight.

May God bless you, Susana
 
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dear Susana,
Yes! I would like to. Although it may seem that some may be turned off by what I write,I sincerely doubt that within anyone afflicted with such a malady as you suggest would be offended. I say this with all the love I can muster.I enjoy sharing the truth,as given me by the Holy Spirit of my God.I am in full-time ministry for abused females and have been for many years now.I know there are healing methods woven within my posts,as they are Spirit guided,and many have learned the many "how to's" to draw closer to their God through them..Much teaching within church structure fails to meet the needs of the true christian today,and I believe that working in close concert with the Holy Spirit fills that need.Anyone operating within the guidance of the Spirit of God with His anointing in full-time ministry does not fear criticisim in the least. On the contrary, it is welcome,for to be enabled to minister for ones God there must be some degree of teaching and multiple gifts in operation, but most important is knowedge of that persons own wellness in order to help others.Now, if you are a moderator,and have justification for disliking what I post,then you may delete what I write, I certainly don't wish to offend anyone, but I do also know that if one ,or two or even five persons find offense with what I write,then they may have recourse to complain, otherwise I understand that persons who are unwell in their spirit may not like what I write, sometimes the truth hurts and my God i s known not only for His love , but also for His truth.So sure am I that My God guides me in what I call obedience in what He guides me to write,that I examine myself daily: 2 Corinthian 13:5 instructs us all as christians to do. I assure you that I am very familiar with the term "introspection" as well as self-actualization,and self-awarness,however it may be termed,and have already gone through that phase of my life many years ago, and used it before being saved. I do not find fault with any person who has their bad days, since I have long since given up that train of thought,and serve a living God within me,and obedience to Him is more meaning full than any persons opinion of me. I understand your heart my friend,as condecending as you may think I am, my God knows my sincerity also. I give you permission to critize me any time you may wish,for most of all I know there is "no condemnation in Christ Jesus". thank you for your response,and I hope to hear from you again whenever you feel like it. In His love, lampwicke xxx



P.S. for your information, a holy kiss is in scripture,so if giving a kiss with my signature is biblical what's the harm? l.
 
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Lampwicke, I concur with Susana... I'm sure you mean well...but......

I have been abused.... and I work with those who have been abused. Reading your post only serves to confirm what those who are beaten down already feel -- CONDEMNED AND WORTHLESS. The last thing they need to hear is that it is all their fault. And that their pain is selfish? Wow.

Please be careful. There is a time for the 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' truth, but usually when one is bleeding, fileted open in agony and pain, this kind of message is worse than pouring salt into an open wound.
 
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Lampwicke

I do not believe that the Truth should be sugar coated. Never.

That is an awkward thread you've posted. I can't say that i can agree with the method that was used here.

Personally, i've suffered minor events of self condemnations before.

"By this time most "hope" is waning,
and we did this to ourselves.
After all self-torment is a indirect product
of selfishness.
My how good we are at this facet
of suffering?

It is then easy for "denial" to take control.
A place of no spiritual growth,distanced from your God,
a land of self-permissive lies told to you,by you.
The saddest reality is that you have allowed you to
believe your own lie!

Such is the power of the human mind,
if you allow it!"


If that is supposed to be motivation for us to stop, then it is the wrong way to motivate.

1. We know it's our fault.
2. We know we've distanced ourselves from God.
3. We already know we've followed a lie.

What can you do about it? You must gently lead them out. Not shove it in their faces.

I know that's harsh, but you have to be careful what you say and how you say it. It can be extremely dangerous for someone who is sensitive to hear something like that. That can put them off God for good.


That being said, i know your intentions were right. I'm touched that your heart shows concern for people who suffer like that.

No i'm not offended in anyway.
 
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Well, I think the OP was probably meant for those in the situation he addressed. Because, there *are* a lot of people professing to be Christians who live worldly lives, and maybe think they are Christians because they said the sinner's prayer. Or because they go to church.

On the other hand, there are people who condemn themselves and have a problem with this. Granted. But I don't think the OP was meant for them. It was meant for those who do not engage in introspection to their own spiritual harm.

I think everyone has to determine for themselves whether they fall into the category being addressed. There is certainly a place for this, and someone needs to be bold enough to say it. But for those who have this area squared away, that's wonderful. Praise God!

It's like Jonathan Edwards. Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God has received much criticism, but it is very necessary, for those to whom it applies.
 
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to many of you who do not agree with me , that is okey!
Working with the abused females either from childhood,or those taking abuse of any kind in this present now time, the Holy Spirit has brought many healings to others,with using me in a spiritual format He has used me in. this process shortens Gods healings in this area ,mainly because of one factor? Many of those so abused,have no concept of "How to" do their part in their healing. Like salvation,we all must do our part.I'm sure those who disagree with me on this subject of healing of the abused , will also disagree with me on doing their part in their "Salvation". It is normal that you may think this way, but does our God not tell us to "destroy the old man in us", and who do you think that old man is? If you know your bible, it will have told you that the "Old man in us is ,that old nature, which is simply our sin nature within,which we still retain from the world we came out of,which we still do battle in our lives daily. Yes! whitehorse you are correct. this Post is relative to what most christians do in their spiritual walk,it is a human process with a spiritual teaching which God in His wisdom wishes to correct in us. God is simply guiding us into a journey within ourselves in order that we " change from the worlds ways, by the renewing of our minds through His word"! So that we can enter in to understanding His ways,of love and obedience to prepare us for living the life of the spirit,in heaven for all eternity. Face it, selfishness is within us all, for we still retain,that old sin nature in ourselves why else would we feel unworthy of much of what we do when we sin? We will always feel the enemies barbs when as human beings we are subject to attacks by the enemy. yet, if I were to tell you that in time,and walking with your God , a deeply committed christian having a most loving relationship with their God can in time learn through the Holy Spirit "how to "NOT" fear! Now does that surprise you? could you even handle that, not having to fear, is it not as easy to be,think,believe, victorious in Jesus,as it is to "fear" the enemy?
You all have every right to have your opinon in this matter, but you do not deal with ministering with the abused,you may be have been abused,are still going through symptoms of that abuse.I realize my God can heal anyone of any abuse, but in His good timeing,but always remember,that healing is dependant upon the abused persons "choice" to have that healing, just like it was that persons "choice" to accept or reject their salvation. The final response is up to us, as spirit beings first,and human beings second.Many of you have no concept of what the spirit realm entails, or just how much in denial many of you are especially in the areas of your own selfishness, we all are affected by it, it could be no other way, if we came out of a world filled with it. Just simply being in that world,and living in it we picked up much by osmosis,this is a fact. otherwise how would we know that we needed another way for finding our God,than what the world offered us? do you think your God wasn't involved in the drawing of you to Him in any way?
Of course this process is a "right in your face" kind of therapy,tell me do all of you who complain of what my God calls Holy and allows me to use for His glory,also resent and complain to Him of when He chastises you for doing what you know in your heart is wrong ,or sin?The amount of pain and wounding that an abuser causes to an innocent victim is to the depth of ones spirit.Please unless you work with the abused,do not judge what my God has allowed to be called His method of using me working in concert with the Holy Spirit. It has proven itself time and again. do you think your God has not provided for those who are abused in a specific ministry to bring healing to His children? Surely you know that He can heal miraculously, but like the God that He is , it delights Him to honor His Son Jesus within me as His child, for does it not say in scripture those who are the stronger and mature should help the weaker,carry their burdens, cry their tears when they cannot. If we do not honor our Jesus within us in Obedience to Him of what use is our salvation to us. It is no different than one who goes forth to proclam the gospel,as our Lord said,Go ye into all the world,and preach the gospel to every creature.
As to the "Right in your face thing" I deal with many who fight even their Gods desire to heal them. for many will not do their part in receiving their healing from their God, as strange as it may seem to you? those who have been abused will do anything to not have to feel their pain of the original abuse,for each time it is "triggered' from within them, they relive the pain all over again, so there is much fear of being healed, such is the human body they live in? When a person is in pain, nothing matteres but that pain, not even their God? I do not speak lightly of something I do not know of,I have walked with my God for thirty years, my relationship is still growing,and out of obedience to Him for His glory, do I remain in this ministry,I can only tell you that only the Holy Spirit can heal,I am only a mouthpiece,but amazingly a necessary one in my Gods eyes.for like all who possess our Jesus within,through us He again walks this earth to heal,comfort,and save for He is the same yesterday, today ,and forever. I speak to clarify, not to condemn, if you knew who I was, you would know you can have no condemnation in Christ Jesus,understanding this, what I write is for making others aware of what many of us as humans do in the process of how we respond to the natural circumstances we have only been taught how To in the world,for like I said, many of us don't understand that much of the world is within us,and unless we strive to remove it,it will affect us in our understanding. we shouldn't lean to our own understanding, but to Gods,and many of us cannot discern without the Holy Spirit.I have welcomed your inquirys, and hope you have learned something,in any event, I will continue in what my God has equipped me to do for Him. In His love, lampwicke, xxx

P.S. Oh!, and the X's are kisses, scripture speaks of giving an holy kiss!
Gods ways are not our ways,His thoughts are not our thoughts.Knowledge allows the believer to find deliverance from suffering and pain,pursuing their God is another facet of spiritual growth,or one's walk with your God.No two individual spiritual walks will ever be the same, just as no personal relationship with ones God will be to the same depth of love with Him as anothers.
"for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks" Matthew 12:34b
 
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Ah forgive me. I didn't notice you were walking in faith for 30 years . my 3 years can only mingle with your experience.

Perhaps it was the way it was written. Maybe we just didn't take it the right way we should when reading text and listening.

Ironically i hate pessimism yet i when i see things like this i find myself in pessimism without knowing. God forgive me!

Anyway, i withdraw all my comments above. I didn't see the bigger picture.
 
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dear Sharky,
As I said,I do nothing without the anointing of the Holy Spirit,for in Him is my strength in love.I wish only to help,and since this particlar forum was for the deeper general christian sharings of our God?I felt it was the appropriate place to put this post. My writing is His gift to me for dealing with the human experience of others wounds and hurts,I find writing my greatest pleasure in ridding myself of taking on those hurts from others. It is something I understand as I work with His human creation.Our God has equipped me for this ministry with secular college,( I have the equivalent of a masters degree),and many years in the mental health field,and most important ,my spiritual walk? God does not fool around when He does anything, He is perfect and takes into account any problems of His creation,and provides. I do thank you for your kindness and your love in responding,our God loves a cheerful giver of ones heart! In His love, lampwicke xxx
 
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