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Although this is not a plain reading of the text answer, I will give you this to consider:Vance said:II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee?
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I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
(*cough, choke)...Uh, AHEM...'scuse me,Vance said:Very likely, which goes along nicely with my mantra against teaching origins dogmatically. ;0)
Here's a pretty big piece of theology, but I'll do my best to answer:troodon said:In Revelation, death is thrown into a lake of fire (Revelation 20:14), destroyed, prior to the founding of the new Jerusalem. But in Isaiah, people are still dying in the new Jerusalem (Isaiah 65:20).
Am I missing something?
Gravity can be demonstrated, quantified, and proven with reliable, God-given science. Evolution cannot be proven by any empiraical data, save that of speculative theory.Vance said:No one claims that the theory of gravity is taught "dogmatically", so why apply the term to evolution? Science views them both the same: accepted theories.
Same thing happens here too:Vance said:"Many variations in Christianity hold to three opinions as to how this Millenial Reign will occur, but the most literal (here I go again)"
This statement simply underscores my entire point about the proper interpretation of Scripture not always being obvious from the plain text, causing believers to accept different concepts on a given set of verses.
Gravity is demonstrative. Sir Newton worked that out very well for us (a creationist BTW). Theory is accepted in order to fill the "why gap". Check it out:Vance said:No, there are EFFECTS which can be seen, tested, etc. The theory of WHY this happens is still just that, a theory. It can not be proven. But, because the theory explains the data (effects, observations, etc), then it is accepted.
Falsifies the theory? The theory was never proven, so now it has to be falsified to be disproven?Evolution is the same. We can see the effects, the data, the evidence. The theory of evolution explains the WHY and HOW these effects take place. We can observe the data, test it, etc, and then see whether anything in the data falsifies the theory. If the theory provides a cogent explanation, and fits the evidence we do have, and has not been falsified, then it remains an accepted theory.
Vance, I hope that you know I have total respect for you...I really do, despite our differences. So, please indulge me in an answer to this question:Just as they use the theory of gravity to plan space excursions, etc, and it WORKS, scientists in a variety of fields use the theory of evolution as the basis for their experiments in medicine, genetics, biology, etc, and they also all WORK exactly as they should.
Gravity is demonstrative, evolution is an assumption, a conclusion of non-empirical data...gravity in greater doubt than evoltution!?In science today, the theory of gravity is actually in greater doubt that the theory of evolution.
Time out.Even Creationists have been forced to accept all the mechanics of evolutionary processes, agreeing that this does, indeed, work and explains changes in living things. The ONLY thing they object to is that it can bring about large changes on the "kind" level (but have not provided a sound scientific explanation why not).
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