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Actually that was not my point. We have a thread on that..Yes, as you work on trying to prove your point that Joseph and Mary were married, and that she bore other children. Just in the scripture you posted proves the opposite. Joseph, the husband to be of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
And that is it about Mary boring any other children than Christ.
I thought it would be neat to put up scripture that speaks of Mary..
Mat 1:16 And Jacob fathered Joseph, the husband to be of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
The italicized words to be had me thinking you were trying to make a point. Sorry that I presumed such. I've seen our go arounds in this particular forum, that I thought the same here. Forgive me, but I didn't think you have an interest in the Theotokos other than to speak against her ever-virginity. If that is not so, than I apologize and look forward to your honoring her in this thread.Actually that was not my point. We have a thread on that..
I like that one.Here's one of my favorite Mary Scriptures!
Genesis 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.
That is how it is in my online scriptures..Why'd you italicize the words "to be" in Matthew 1:16 in your OP?
I like that one.
Here's one of mine:
Psalm 45:9 Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
Psalm 45 is speaking of the kingdom of Christ. There is a queen arrayed in gold sitting at his right hand. Who do you think that person is?what does this have to do with Mary?
What online sources do you use? Just curiousThat is how it is in my online scriptures..
Keep in mind Mamaz that in the Jewish kingships which foreshadow Christ we see the mother of the king is the queen.
bbbbbbb, you are going to have to explain where you see in verses 10-15 that it is the queen who is being married to Solomon?The difficulty with using Psalms in a prophetic sense is that frequently they were intentionally written to convey more than one meaning. It is not a black-and-white situation at all, but may contain many colors. For example, Psalm 8 is quoted in the New Testament in reference to Christ and one must believe that to be true. It is also equally true that the psalmist is writing of creating and man's place in it.
As for Psalm 45 verses 6 and 7 are quoted in the New Testament prophetically related to Christ. The setting of the Psalm is a description of Solomon in his kingly glory and one cannot dismiss that meaning, as well. To extend the prophetic interpretation beyond verses 6 and 7 becomes problematic, to say the least. We not only have a Queen (Solomon's wife) but also kings' daughters (possibly other wives of Solomon who he married to assure international peace). The queen has the preeminent place among the wives (or daughters, although the daughters are neither hers nor Solomon's but "kings'"). In 10-15 we have a description of the wedding of Solomon to his queen. If Solomon is a type of Christ and Mary is a type of the queen, then we have an incestuous relationship which, of course, the text does not support. Neither does it support the notion that the queen is marrying anyone other than the king (Solomon). Also note that in verse 16 we have fathers (not father) who will be replaced by the sons. It is difficult not to perceive the polygamous relationship of Solomon with the kings' daughters, having the queen above all.
The bottom line is that if you insert Mary into this heady mixture, you end up with some truly bizarre possibilities.
bbbbbbb, you are going to have to explain where you see in verses 10-15 that it is the queen who is being married to Solomon?
If this is truly a description of Solomon in his kingly glory, please let's not forget that King Solomon was not married to the queen. The woman who sat at his right hand as queen is his mother. And as Solomon is indeed a typology of Christ ("son of David, the annointed one") and Christ is the true king this passage foreshadows, there is nothing "bizarre" when Mary comes into the picture.
And in the kingship of Christ there will be no incestuous relationships for marriage will have ceased to be. The marriage bride is a typology of the church.
Sir 24:1-5 said:Wisdom shall praise her own self, and shall be honoured in God, and shall glory in the midst of her people, And shall open her mouth in the churches of the most High, and shall glorify herself in the sight of his power. And in the midst of her own people she shall be exalted, and shall be admired in the holy assembly. And in the multitude of the elect she shall have praise, and among the blessed she shall be blessed, saying: I came out of the mouth of the most High, the firstborn before all creatures
Sir 24:12-14 said:Then the creator of all things commanded, and said to me: and he that made me, rested in my tabernacle, And he said to me: Let thy dwelling be in Jacob, and thy inheritance in Israel, and take root in my elect.
Sir 24:41-47 said:I, like a brook out of a river of a mighty water; I, like a channel of a river. and like an aqueduct, came out of paradise. I said: I will water my garden of plants, and I will water abundantly the fruits of my meadow. And behold my brook became a great river, and my river came near to a sea: For I make doctrine to shine forth to all as the morning light, and I will declare it afar off. I will penetrate to all the lower parts of the earth, and will behold all that sleep, and will enlighten all that hope in the Lord.
I will yet pour out doctrine as prophecy, and will leave it to them that seek wisdom, and will not cease to instruct their offspring even to the holy age. See ye that I have not laboured for myself only, but for all that seek out the truth.
Esther 4:13 said:Think not that thou mayst save thy life only, because thou art in the king a house, more than all the Jews
Cant 1:4-5 said:I am black but beautiful, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Cedar, as the curtains of Solomon. Do not consider me that I am brown, because the sun hath altered my colour: the sons of my mother have fought against me, they have made me the keeper in the vineyards: my vineyard I have not kept.
Cant 4:7 said:Thou art all fair, O my love, and there is not a spot in thee.
Cant 4:12 said:My sister, my spouse, is a garden enclosed, a garden enclosed, a fountain sealed up.
Cant 6:7-9 said:There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and young maidens without number. One is my dove, my perfect one is but one, she is the only one of her mother, the chosen of her that bore her. The daughters saw her, and declared her most blessed: the queens and concubines, and they praised her. Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array?
Cant 7:2-3 said:Thy navel is like a round bowl never wanting cups. Thy belly is like a heap of wheat, set about with lilies. Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.
Ps 44/45:11-18 said:Hearken, O daughter, and see, and incline thy ear: and forget thy people and thy father's house. And the king shall greatly desire thy beauty; for he is the Lord thy God, and him they shall adore. And the daughters of Tyre with gifts, yea, all the rich among the people, shall entreat thy countenance. All the glory of the king's daughter is within in golden borders, Clothed round about with varieties. After her shall virgins be brought to the king: her neighbours shall be brought to thee.
They shall be brought with gladness and rejoicing: they shall be brought into the temple of the king. Instead of thy fathers, sons are born to thee: thou shalt make them princes over all the earth. They shall remember thy name throughout all generations. Therefore shall people praise thee for ever; yea, for ever and ever.
Ps 86/87:5 said:Shall not Sion say: This man and that man is born in her? and the Highest himself hath founded her.
Ps 131/132:1-10 said:O Lord, remember David, and all his meekness. How he swore to the Lord, he vowed a vow to the God of Jacob: If I shall enter into the tabernacle of my house: if I shall go up into the bed wherein I lie: If I shall give sleep to my eyes, or slumber to my eyelids, Or rest to my temples: until I find out a place for the Lord, a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.
Behold we have heard of it in Ephrata [also called Bethlehem]: we have found it in the fields of the wood. We will go into his tabernacle: We will adore in the place where his feet stood. Arise, O Lord, into thy resting place: thou and the ark, which thou hast sanctified. Let thy priests be clothed with justice: and let thy saints rejoice. For thy servant David's sake, turn not away the face of thy anointed.
Wis 7:8- said:And I preferred her before kingdoms and thrones, and esteemed riches nothing in comparison of her. Neither did I compare unto her any precious stone: for all gold in comparison of her, is as a little sand, and silver in respect to her shall be counted as clay. I loved her above health and beauty, and chose to have her instead of light: for her light cannot be put out.
Now all good things came to me together with her, and innumerable riches through her hands, And I rejoiced in all these: for this wisdom went before me, and I knew not that she was the mother of them all. Which I have learned without guile, and communicate without envy, and her riches I hide not. For she is an infinite treasure to men! which they that use, become the friends of God, being commended for the gift of discipline.
Wis 7:24-27 said:therefore no defiled thing cometh into her. For she is the brightness of eternal light, and the unspotted mirror of God's majesty, and the image of his goodness. And being but one, she can do all things:
Is 7:14 said:Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.
Eze 44:1-2 said:And he brought me back to the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary, which looked towards the east: and it was shut. And the Lord said to me: This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it: because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it, and it shall be shut
Ex 3:1-5 said:Now Moses fed the sheep of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Madian: and he drove the flock to the inner parts of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, Horeb. And the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he saw that the bush was on fire and was not burnt. And Moses said: I will go and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the Lord saw that he went forward to see, he called to him out of the midst of the bush, and said: Moses, Moses. And he answered: Here I am. And he said: Come not nigh hither, put off the shoes from thy feet: for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
Is 2:2 said:And in the last days the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be prepared on the top of mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it.
Jer 31:22 said:How long wilt thou be dissolute in deliciousness, O wandering daughter? for the Lord hath created a new thing upon the earth: A woman shall compass [or, "protect"] a man.
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