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LLOJ gets out his tape measureScripture is meant to be a measuring tool.
Excellent point.Scripture doesn't call the Church the pillar and
ground of the truth, but God Himself:
The pillar & ground are parts of truth(God), not of The Church.1 Timothy 3:15 ... the living God, the pillar and
ground of the truth.
I am still more scriptures tall than I am scriptures wide.A conversation was derailing another thread and so
I'm moving the discussion here.
We're discussing using Scripture as a measuring tool.
We're not calling this practice by any formal name,
just it is what it is, using Scripture to measure.
Here's how the conversation began:
Shameless bump
I know, right?I am still more scriptures tall than I am scriptures wide.
A conversation was derailing another thread and so
I'm moving the discussion here.
We're discussing using Scripture as a measuring tool.
We're not calling this practice by any formal name,
just it is what it is, using Scripture to measure.
Here's how the conversation began:
Scriptures are my diet
Luk 4:4And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Great thread Sunny.... nuttin but plain truth.
After His annointing by John the Baptist Jesus first lesson to us was how to combat Satan........ "It is written"
Though I love scripture and believe that it is truly God breathed the problem arises when we interpret scripture or misuse it to support our interpretation. An example would be this.Scripture as my measure
Scripture doesn't call the Church the pillar and
ground of the truth, but God Himself:
1 Timothy 3:15 ... the living God, the pillar and
ground of the truth.
But we should never employ the Bible to the best of
our ability in the sense of trying to understand it
by ourselves; we should always call upon and rely
upon the Holy Spirit to teach us what it is actually
saying: 1 John 2:27 ... the anointing which ye have received
of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man
teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of
all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as
it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
John 16:13 ... when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not
speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that
shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Nice but, our hope is based on what is written not what is reasoned beyond the scriptures.(John 21:25) Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
(Luke 4:4) And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Jesus said man shall live by every word of God. Our Bible does not contain every Word of God. One needs to have the Holy Spirit/Jesus bring Gods Word to him or her.
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us. Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually.A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”Nice but, our hope is based on what is written not what is reasoned beyond the scriptures.
Rom 15:4For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
2Ti 3:16All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
We cant argue against the fact that scriptures are given for men to know God and His will for mankind.
That is where personal responsibility comes in. Let it speak, interpret it or follow a leader. No matter which choice one makes, they're not off the hook, so to speak, and everyone must give an account. So, do what you must, prayerfully, faithfully and in the fear of the Lord, but be ready to give an account, even if you say, "I was just following the teaching of the church on [fill in blank], Lord! Don't I get a pass?"Though I love scripture and believe that it is truly God breathed the problem arises when we interpret scripture or misuse it to support our interpretation.<snip>
Copout? First of all John 21:25 end the Gospel of John. This verse makes it clear that all the detail of what Jesus did in His lifetime is not written.With out Jesus/Holy Spirit teaching one there is not true understanding scripture.
You quote me scripture that says: That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Yet when I show you that the Written Word of God/Bible is not every word, you then turn around and say: “our hope is based on what is written not what is reasoned beyond the scriptures.”
Now what sort of copout is that? We either live by every word or we don’t.
I see argument brewing based on both our zeal be correct.Do you see how man when he doesn’t like what scripture says makes it read the way he does like it?
Who told you that our hope is based on what is written? Also when Jesus/Holy Spirit teaches one it is not what is reasoned beyond the scriptures. Jesus teaches the whole Word of God.
Nice but, our hope is based on what is written not what is reasoned beyond the scriptures.
Rom 15:4For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
2Ti 3:16All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
We cant argue against the fact that scriptures are given for men to know God and His will for mankind.
You ignored (1 Corinthians 2:10-16) where Paul tells us that God can only be known by the Spirit of God.Copout? First of all John 21:25 end the Gospel of John. This verse makes it clear that all the detail of what Jesus did in His lifetime is not written.
Does that mean you can use this text as a smoking gun about other words from God or missing doctrines and missing teachings from God's word? I think not.
Why do you think my text was a not valid and yours is? Christ said "it is written" man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that procedes out of the mouth of God. We're to look to God's word for instructions on how to live.
I see argument brewing based on both our zeal be correct.
So let's just agree to disagree respectfully ...............God bless
You quote me scripture that says: That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Yet when I show you that the Written Word of God/Bible is not every word, you then turn around and say: our hope is based on what is written not what is reasoned beyond the scriptures.
Now what sort of copout is that?
Which man?We either live by every word or we dont. Do you see how man when he doesnt like what scripture says makes it read the way he does like it?
The scriptures did.Who told you that our hope is based on what is written?
Right,...and the way you check is to correlate that with (drumroll)...Scripture.Also when Jesus/Holy Spirit teaches one it is not what is reasoned beyond the scriptures.
Thru scripture. Anything you hear isn't going to contradict if its legit.Jesus teaches the whole Word of God.
That's done routinely with what He speaks as well, dontchya know, sweetie?What I am saying is; man has twisted and watered down the Word to where it is almost impossible to understand truthfully.
That's done routinely with what He speaks as well, dontchya know, sweetie?
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