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Scientists misinterpreting the data w/regards to YEC

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Please review posts #37 & #43.
I'll pass.

I must be wanted elsewhere.

So I'll bid this thread "adieu" and let you guys arc & spark about the inability of YECs to satisfy your myopic demands.
 
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I can, but due to the myopic restrictions I'm willing to respect at your request, I'll have to remain silent.

I will have to say thank your for agreeing to step-down, but I will say this for future reference: this thread is for the discussion of SCIENCE, not religion. If you can't discuss science, please don't post anything on this thread.
 
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In this case, the mistake of mainstream geologist in the eyes of Creationists is that they miscounted the rate of deposition of the rocks layers. Mainstream geologists suggested that it take a whole lot more time to make those rocks.

Correct, "in the eyes of creationists". What the creationists are lacking is any data to support what they see in their eyes.
 
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you beat me to the punch!
Well, I see this thread is just ablaze with scientific answers.

I'll bow out, and the OP can have what he asked for -- assuming he gets anything at all that satisfies him.

Maybe then he will learn not to start threads that invite YECs to respond with science.

Unless, of course, they're really starting threads like this to make the statement that faith-based answers are sterile vis-a-vis science.

Anyone can traipse around a Christian forum wielding a clipboard.

But we have twoedged swords; so it stands to reason it's not a fair fight!
 
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It's the same thing! Are you really that dense? History is age. Age is history. There are the same thing.

I wouldn't bother debating him on this. Remember his point is that God can embed actual age into something. Which is fine because God can do whatever He wants to. So if God wants a 3 month old item to actually be 3 million years old it is 3 million years old.

Now, of course, this means that God is making something without going through all the steps, which is His prerogative, but I've never really understood why God would want to do something like that. What's the point? It's not like God doesn't have all the time he could want. The upshot is that we are stuck with a 3 month old thing that is 3 million years old.

The important thing is "THIS MAKES GENESIS LITERALLY TRUE" which is kind of like "embedded truth". It isn't literally like that but it has the truth "embedded" into it to make it true when it's not.
 
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I want to have an actual, scientific discussion in the science sub-forum. Is that too much to ask?

To be fair, this isn't the place for that kind of discussion. This is a place to see some really creative alternatives to science.
 
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Deep time.

AV, I don't think you can say Deep Time is wrong. Because even by your hypothesis of "Embedded Age", the earth is, literally, 4.5billion years old. God embedded the age into it so it actually IS 4.5 billion years old.

Sure he may have only made it 6000 years ago, but when He embedded 4.5 billion years worth of history into it it must therefore be 4.5 billion years old.

Otherwise you are talking just the appearance of 4.5 billion years, which you've been clear to point out is NOT what you are talking about.

So, deep time it is! Deep time wins! The earth is 4.5 billion years old!
 
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To be fair, this isn't the place for that kind of discussion. This is a place to see some really creative alternatives to science.

I guess I had too high a hope for the sub-forum labelled "Physical & Life Sciences".
 
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From #24 on my earlier link: "geologists insert many millions of years to force the rocks to conform with the ‘given’ timescale of billions of years." http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

Seriously, does he really believe that?

He probably does. Although I got a funny mental image of the stereotypical mad scientist injecting some green liquid in to a rock from a syringe labelled "Many Millions of Years".
 
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What God has written in the earth cannot be changed by man. Therefore, with respect to science, I choose to believe the evidence he left in the earth, and not view anything as literal that man has written about him.
 
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But it is wrong. If they followed the actual lines of evidence, they would see that the rocks indicate an old Earth, not a young Earth. And there is no basis for that claim, therefore it is baseless.

There ARE bases. They use an example of much faster pace of natural deposition to show that the Grand Canyon rock layers is possible to be deposited in a much shorter period of time.
 
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There ARE bases. They use an example of much faster pace of natural deposition to show that the Grand Canyon rock layers is possible to be deposited in a much shorter period of time.

But there would be evidence of distortion, evidence of catastrophic distortion, in the rocks if we the rocks were deposited in a shorter period of time.
 
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There ARE bases. They use an example of much faster pace of natural deposition to show that the Grand Canyon rock layers is possible to be deposited in a much shorter period of time.

However, their example(s) do not even come close to any of the natural processes. How do they get thousands of feet of limestone from a flood in less than a year?
 
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What have the geologists done wrong to say that the Grand Canyon is 6 million years old when it should be 4000 years old?

They don't look at the whole canyon. Rapid erosion is the only thing that could
create it. If the GC were millions of years old, how did the water climb up the
first side to start cutting the canyon out? Where is all the sediment if that one
small river carried it away?
 
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You do know that erosion works by wearing DOWN the rock, right? And water follows a basic law of gravity: it goes downhill, not up.
And here's a question: if the Grand Canyon was formed by the flood, why are all the layers stacked (nearly) neatly from top to bottom? If it was caused by a flood, they'd all be jumbled around.
 
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But you cannot show that the Earth is only 6,000 years old. Scientists can show that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, meaning deep time is correct.

How many of them observed 4.5 billion years of time go by?
If none, then they can infer or deduce or wish or make up fairy tales, but they can't PROVE anything.
 
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