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(emphasis mine)OdwinOddball said:Evidence and your explanation as to how it supports your case.
I still dont see how this supports Creationism (or any derivative thereof).JohnR7 said:Simple the YAP Gene is able to indicate who is and who is not a decendant of Aaron, in the Bible.
80% of Europeans population decended from hunter gathers. 20% can be traced back to one women "Jasmine" that lived in the same area that Eve in the Bible lived and Jasmine lived at about the same time that Eve lived.TheBear said:Indeed!
Among native Europeans, almost everybody can trace their maternal genealogy, using mDNA, to one of only seven women, their ancient clan mother. To give them an identity I have given these women names: Ursula, Xenia, Helena, Velda, Tara, Katrine and Jasmine. The women lived between 10 000 and 45 000 years ago, six of the seven were hunter-gatherers, the seventh, Jasmine, was an early farmer.http://genome.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTD020876.html
The Bible tells us that Abraham came from the Anciet city of Ur. This city has been found, and that again verifys the Bible is true.Dannager said:Show us
Ur is known in the Bible as Ur of the Chaldees. This biblical name, Ur of the Chaldees, refers to the Chaldeans, who settled the area about 900 B.C. It is known as the ancient city of the Sumerian civilization and the home of Abraham, father of the Hebrews. Its ruins are between the modern city of Baghdad, Iraq, and the head of the Persian Gulf. The site is now known as Tall al Muqayyar, Iraq. The site of ancient Ur is located 140 miles south of Babylon. It was the capital of a small wealthy empire during the third millennium B.C. Most of the great ziggurat of Ur is still standing.http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/sites/middle_east/ur.html
The Bible tells us about the tower of Babel and the tower the people were building. Archeology shows us that towers of this sort were very common back then and the foundation is still there for some of the bigger ones. Again we have physical evidence showing us the Bible is true.Dannager said:Show us
JohnR7 said:Simple the YAP Gene is able to indicate who is and who is not a decendant of Aaron, in the Bible.
JohnR7 said:The Bible tells us that Abraham came from the Anciet city of Ur. This city has been found, and that again verifys the Bible is true.
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JohnR7 said:The Bible tells us about the tower of Babel and the tower the people were building. Archeology shows us that towers of this sort were very common back then and the foundation is still there for some of the bigger ones. Again we have physical evidence showing us the Bible is true.
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JohnR7 said:Abraham hired an ox, Abraham leased a farm, Abraham paid part of his rent, how Abraham might have moved to Canaan.
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So you accept the evidence that shows that this part of the Bible is true. That Babylon existed and that they tried to build a tower there. There goes your no evidence at all arguement.OdwinOddball said:Again, this only proves that Babylon existed, and that they could have built a tower.
Just because the Bible mentions a real place or person does not mean the rest of the Bible is true.
JohnR7 said:So you accept the evidence that shows that this part of the Bible is true. That Babylon existed and that they tried to build a tower there. There goes your no evidence at all arguement.
That is why I asked how much your willing to read. I will have to show you point by point that the Bible is true.
But the DNA evidence shows us that the first Farmer was Hebrew and lived in the part of the world that the Bible says they lived in.OdwinOddball said:Any farmer from the tiem period could have done the same things.
The discovery of the Ebla archive in northern Syria in the 1970s has shown the Biblical writings concerning the Patriarchs to be viable. Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine. The name "Canaan" was in use in Ebla, a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible. The word "tehom" ("the deep") in Genesis 1:2 was said to be a late word demonstrating the late writing of the creation story. "Tehom" was part of the vocabulary at Ebla, in use some 800 years before Moses. Ancient customs reflected in the stories of the Patriarchs have also been found in clay tablets from Nuzi and Mari.
The Hittites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey. Many thought the Biblical references to Solomon's wealth were greatly exaggerated. Recovered records from the past show that wealth in antiquity was concentrated with the king and Solomon's prosperity was entirely feasible. It was once claimed there was no Assyrian king named Sargon as recorded in Isaiah 20:1, because this name was not known in any other record. Then, Sargon's palace was discovered in Khorsabad, Iraq. The very event mentioned in Isaiah 20, his capture of Ashdod, was recorded on the palace walls. What is more, fragments of a stela memorializing the victory were found at Ashdod itself.
Another king who was in doubt was Belshazzar, king of Babylon, named in Daniel 5. The last king of Babylon was Nabonidus according to recorded history. Tablets were found showing that Belshazzar was Nabonidus' son who served as coregent in Babylon. Thus, Belshazzar could offer to make Daniel "third highest ruler in the kingdom" (Dan. 5:16) for reading the handwriting on the wall, the highest available position. Here we see the "eye-witness" nature of the Biblical record, as is so often brought out by the discoveries of archaeology.http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a008.html
Wrong, any scientific evidence that the Bible is true, is valid. Point by point, line by line, precept upon precept we can prove the Bible is true.corvus_corax said:
OdwinOddball said:Of course parts of the Bible are true, it was written by people living in the Mid East. It describes people and events taking place in the Mid East. If none of the places it described were ever known to have existed noone would ever give it any credibility at all, much less the credibility needed to base a 2000 year old religion on.
OdwinOddball said:Except John, this thread isnt about the Bible, its about Scientific evidence for Creationism. So, get on with the show. Evidence and your explanations for why your view of Creationism is correct.
That's why you're on this thread?JohnR7 said:You have failed to win one point. But everytime I show the Bible is true, I win a point.
Who wants to keep score?
Re-read the thread title-JohnR7 said:The point I am trying to make is, when you ask for scientific evidence then you are limited to scientific evidence. Science has it's limitations. Don't blame me that science is limited in what science can do.
I ask you again, do you want scientific evidence or not?
JohnR7 said:But the DNA evidence shows us that the first Farmer was Hebrew and lived in the part of the world that the Bible says they lived in.
JohnR7 said:The point I am trying to make is, when you ask for scientific evidence then you are limited to scientific evidence. Science has it's limitations. Don't blame me that science is limited in what science can do.
I ask you again, do you want scientific evidence or not? I can give you all you want. They have been working on this for hundreds of years. It use to be front page stuff in the newspaper everytime someone came up with scientific evidence for the Bible. So there is a LOT of it.
JohnR7 said:Ok, what do you mean by creationism? Do you mean you want to talk about Astronomy? That is not Darwin and that is not Evolution. Do you mean you just want to talk about the first chapter in the Bible? That does not include Adam and Eve or civilization? That would be prehistory. Is that what you want to talk about?
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