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Schiff's Politics of Fear

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I suspected that the cause and effect was reversed among Donald's supporters... he can do no wrong, hence being friendly to Russia is the better (read: only plusgood) choice in the matter.
Well Valentine you and I both know that just unnecessary hyperbole. Trump supporters don't believe he can't do anything wrong? Really?
 
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That it should be obvious to a child that saying that the election may be under undue influence is different from saying that one will refuse to abide by the election.
My question is juvenile? Why. If the issue is the end result of an election is questioned aren't you still questioning it's integrity? Hillary wanted to claim that for 240 years America has had fair and just elections....and you really would have us believe that's all changed and has collapsed merely because one Donald J Trump has come to office? I'm not saying the Russians have been sweet little innocents but what about the 1950's. The 1960's??? If ever there was a time America was worried about Russia weren't those the days? And yet electoral integrity was secure according to her through all those days. Doesn't seem rather convenience the claims the Democratic politicians now would like to make?
 
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Well Valentine you and I both know that just unnecessary hyperbole. Trump supporters don't believe he can't do anything wrong? Really?

I certainly don't think it's unnecessary, and when Donald said he could shoot people on Fifth Avenue without losing support, I would have thought that was hyperbole.

These days, well... NYC is a pretty liberal town...
 
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Not maybe just a groundless accusation?

There has been tons of evidence supporting the accusation, and absolutely no evidence presented which contradicts it. Additionally, direct evidence, both testimony and documents, have been withheld unilaterally by Trump.
 
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Trump was caught trying to solicit foreign interference in our election. That's a violation of our election laws.

We'd like to continue to have fair and just elections, despite Trump's efforts.
 
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There has been tons of evidence supporting the accusation, and absolutely no evidence presented which contradicts it. Additionally, direct evidence, both testimony and documents, have been withheld unilaterally by Trump.
You don't know there's anything incriminating about testimony not coming forth due to Executive Privilege. You're entitled to your opinion on that but you have no facts to make your claim.
 
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Nope. Sorry but that's merely your accusation. Your saying that doesn't mean it's so.

His perfect phonecall says so. Trump asks for a favor. The import of the favor is something that benefits Trump personally, not We The People.
 
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Nope. Sorry but that's merely your accusation. Your saying that doesn't mean it's so.
It’s based on the phone call where Trump flat out asks for a favor. You insisting there’s nothing wrong with that doesn’t make it so.
 
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You don't know there's anything incriminating about testimony not coming forth due to Executive Privilege. You're entitled to your opinion on that but you have no facts to make your claim.

We have plenty of evidence of people acting while claiming they've been given direction from Trump. The House testimony was replete with it. The people who can confirm or deny that they did, in fact, receive that direction from Trump are being prevented from testifying.

If people were claiming to act under Trump's direction, but were actually acting by themselves, that should be investigated - by Trump. The fact that Trump doesn't go after them for acting on his behalf without his direction shows that Trump's complicit.

The denial from Trump's supporters about the evidence is astounding. You're dismissing it with absolutely no supporting justification of dismissing it. The "second hand" information claim is nonsense. No one has refuted the testimony in any way, shape, or form.
 
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It’s based on the phone call where Trump flat out asks for a favor. You insisting there’s nothing wrong with that doesn’t make it so.
OK fair enough. So what do you have. Let's just say you have the nation pretty well split down the middle on this issue. Knowing therefore that the Founding Fathers demanded that there should be a super majority (2/3rds of the Senate) to believe whatever has risen to the level of an impeachable offence to remove a President than are you willing to go along with the Founders will? Obviously the Founders understood that the populace would have to accept without falling apart that it's OK for both sides to be thinking a certain way but you should hold tight and don't allow the nation to disintegrate over it.
 
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I think you're going to find as Trump's legal team begins their defence a great many legal scholars who have great expertise disagree with you.
 
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The Russians collaborated with the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton Campaign, not the Republican National Committee or the Trump organization.

That's a pretty strong assertion to make without any evidence.
 
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The claim back in 2016 was that Hillary would try to provoke a war with Russia. That having Trump be friendly with Putin was better for us than Hillary being antagonistic.
If you expect pro-Donald talking points to be consistent, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.
 
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Hey, remember when "Schiff" claimed that the stock market would crash if Donald was impeached?

And when "Schiff's" supporters warned of a civil war if Donald were to actually be removed?

Was that when he was talking about how revolutionary war soldiers took over British airports?
 
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OK fair enough. So what do you have. Let's just say you have the nation pretty well split down the middle on this issue.

Nearly 3/4ths want additional testimony - and a bit over half have heard enough to want him removed for the stuff we already know. I guess technically the latter could be called "split down the middle", but seems like a bit of a stretch to me.
 
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Calling out a President for abuse of power and obstruction based on words and acts he does in plain sight is not the "politics of fear." Rep Schiff and the Impeachment members are carrying out their Constitutional mandate to check the power of the Executive branch.
 
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