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Well, if it makes you feel any better, it isn't just you. There is nothing any male can say that would convince me to date them.
Wont stop 'em from trying
Guys can get creative when they are smitten. One of my close friends is lesbian and she had a guy chasing her for about two years. I have to say it was kind of endearing and he got REALLY creative but Im sure it got rather irritating after a while.
He spend 200 bucks on flowers, pretty expensive jokeAre you sure that they guy was actually serious? To me it sounds like something a guy would go just to joke around...
Well, she said she was an Atheist. However, as this thread has shown, people from a variety of backgrounds can have different takes on if premarital sex is an issue or not. One can be a Christian and think it's fine, or be an Atheist and think it isn't.
Sex is a matter of survival. It also feels good. Why should we shun a nessecary and pleasurable thing, just because god says?
Then I guess 95% of Americans are going to hell, as 95% identify themselves as having premarital sex.
So if everyone does soemthing is it ok? As for who goes where, that is up to God.
They don't, actually. So I guess the "standing in judgment" doesn't apply to them.
Everyone will stand in judegment but at least they are no being hypocrites. That was my point.
Actually, either Pagans nor Atheists "live for self gratification." Atheists can be quite spiritual, in their own way, and Pagans can also be highly spiritual, even religious.
I strongly disagree with your first sentence. They are all about living for the monent and self gratification.
As for the remainder, I will concede that.
I know I'm deeply religious and not Christian.
Acknowledged.
A silly attempt to have a conversation/dialouge on a thread that's part of a board that invites conversation.
My point on that was some people have their mind made up regardless and they want to speak about it anyway. Redundant perhaps when they are closed minded. Not you! I am saying in general. I am sure you have seen that before??
I don't agree. One person's "good Christian" is another person's "bad Christian." You can get 1,000 Christians in a room, and there will not be one single person there who agrees on who all is or isn't Christian.
Possibly true. Everyone is a sinner and no one is perfect. I am speaking of the hypocrites I referenced previously. The person who sins all week and goes to church and thinks all is well. This can be the adulterer, rapist, murderer, slanderer, etc who claims to be Christian.
Of course, convienantly enough, everybody thinks they are a good Christian.
Not even the apostles thought this so give me a Christian who claims he is sinless and perfect and he is a liar.
I'm not sure where this "everybody's not a real Christian" rant came from, since it's sort of out of the blue...
But...
Out of curiosity, did you have premarital sex?
Proudly No and I have been married for over 15 years! Am I perfect, no, like you and everyone I am a sinner. I can only try to be righteous. I just am saying I will strive to follow scripture. And.......I am not judging you.
*Yawn*
I will live the way I choose to live, and it's worked thus far for me operating on the free will God gave me. And if it turns out I'm wrong, and God tells me I screwed up my entire life, my answer wouldn't be "I didn't know" it would be "Well, I don't agree with you, so I guess hell is the best place for me afterall."
Yes it is your free choice. We will all be judged.
Out of curiosity, for those of us who think that you misinterpret God's word, what will you say if you pass over and find out that you lived your life against God? You also can't use the excuse of "I didn't know" because we told you...
LOL!! Me too...I'd known this guy for two days and we'd kissed on two occasions (which was a stupid move on my part, I admit it). And then: "Listen, I am ready for sex, but if you're not, I understand."
"Excuse me?" No, never. I made my views very clear.
Under 24 hours later: "I don't know if dating you is right...I mean, we've hooked up twice, I don't think I'd say we're dating"...uh, mmkay bye.
Sketchfesttttttt....
Good for you Mumbai.
I recently saw my younger sister (she's 16) over Christmas. And now it seems this age group 'hooks up'. She had a friend over and I also brought along my nephew who is 15, and next minute when I check up on them, just to say hi is everything okay, my nephew is stroking my sister's friend's leg and are cuddling each other.
So me being the right prissy auntie that I am, has a talk, only to find out, no she isn't a girlfriend, we are just 'hooking up'. So it's like there is just this physical contact of kissing and cuddling which is defined as hooking up, but with no emotional connection at all. They aren't boyfriends or girlfriends, just someone of the opposite sex to make them 'feel good' for a little while. To me it really encourages promiscuity, and then they tell me all teenagers are into it. So it's kind of physical contact first, then I'll get to know you later. Or more to the point, the guy just doesn't want to commit to a girl as a girlfriend, then he doesn't have to explain himself to her about his indiscretions if he goes for another girl. It's all very cheap and degrading. I'm really showing my age now.
I'm just pointing out that your methodology that Christians "know better" than to have sex.
Well ah, yes! If they are educated on scripture. WHat is not clear about that to you?
Is it better to be an Atheist who sins because they don't believe they're sinning, or a Christian who knows it's a sin and does it anyway?
One is a hypocrite and one is not, so you tell me. Both are sinners.
Ok, why do you think they act mainly out of self gratification? And how can they be spiritual, even religious, but still act totally out of self-gratification?
Easy as I know peope like this. They do their meditations and are religious although not to the Lord. The they go out and fornicate like animals, drink until they pass out, and lie. I think you are confusing religion with Chrisitanity. Completely different! There are many devote religious people who worship the Earth or even Satan. Get my point?
I have seen people speaking their mind even when their mind is made up. In fact, a majority of people I know speak when their mind is made up about something. I don't think that hinders the discussion at all. At times, I think it improves it.
Possibly, but why go to a Christian forum to impose views? I am not refering to you but I have seen everything from maniacal scientologists in here to atheists full of rage. So it always makes me wonder.
Oh, I've never heard a Christian claim they were sinless... Do you think you're going to heaven?
Again, I do not know if that is sarcasm or what so if you have not heard a Chrsitian say that, than that is an accurate measure of how they should feel as they are not sinless. It does not matter what I think. I have faith that I will. In death which we will all face, I will find out.
I don't think it's difficult at all... A lot of what's in it is very vauge, and when you factor in that there are, literally, hundreds of versions of the Bible who thousands each follow passionately... And you factor in that you're not even using the "original Bible," but a version that's been translated, then translated again, then translated again, and translated again, then it's a translation of a translation...
What version are you reading? Get a King James Version which is a direct translation from the original scripture. Very clear!
Have you ever played the game of telephone? It's where a group of people sit together, one at the start of the line says something and it's whipsered to the person next to them, who whispers it to the person next to them, who whispers it to the person next to them... By the time you get to the end, you rarely have the same message you started with.
No, I have not played it, but read my last comment above as that rebuts your arguments there.
Very little is simply black and white.
Opinion. It sounds like you have taken one too many philosophy classesIf one can not read an understand, then sometimes they need assitance, which is fine. That is what Preachers, Pastors, Ministers, etc are there to assist with.
THere are those, like Atheists, or even myself, who follow what's outlined in scripture, though they don't read or believe in the scripture, because either their spirituality or their ingrained morality. While they're not choosing to follow the scripture, they are inadvertantly following it.
Again, picking and choosing scripture at your convenience. That again is your choice. Not reading or following it? Ingrained morality? You mean worldy wisdom? It sounds like you trust in the wisdom of man and the world.
So even the "very simple" they either choose to follow scripture or not isn't a black or white instance.
They strive to or they do not. One is rebelling and one is following.
I'd debate that... Even for those who can read and study, the scripture is quite an undertaking. If we're talking about original scripture, it's impossible, even if you can read or follow.
Hmmm... I know people who're Christian who go to Church on Sunday, but Monday through Sat, they drink, fornicate, lie like rugs...
One person I know in particular is *deeply* religious, and he won't stop talking about what Jesus does and doesn't want. Anti-abortion because it's murder, anti-gay rights because it's perversion, the whole nine yards. He goes to church every Sunday and could quote you the Bible back and forth. He tells me whenever I see him that it's such a shame I'm going to be judged harshly for not being Christian, and he's even talked to my husband (a "recovering Catholic") about what they can do to lead me back to Jesus. He's also had more than 75 sex partners (and has more by the day it seems), drinks like a fish, lies when it's best for him, and is a highly sneaky person who you can't trust.
Another one of my husband's coworkers, who has tried to get me to convert, "tattled" to my father about my religious choice, and can't work Sunday's (or any other holiday) because he's a "good Christian" also is the worst parent I've ever seen. He doesn't know his kids birthdays, he doesn't cook or clean or help with the kids at all, and he's having an online affair.
Ok, now it looks like you finally understand what a hypocrite is. You have just described some! Now we are making some progress. Good! Lets continue.
Christian doesn't mean you're not living for self-gratification, just like being non-Christian means you are. I don't drink until the point of drunkeness (you can count the number of times I've been drunk on one hand), I don't cheat on my husband, I don't lie, I'm not a fornicator... Yet, I'm not Christian.
Like I said, I know some honest, gentile atheists and other non Christians. I will not judge them. It is their choice. All I can do is t point out what was left for all of humanity by God.
Sharing a point of view isn't "imposing views," it's sharing a point of view. It's having a discussion. They come because the forum is open to all, including non-Christians, and because there are a ton of non-Christians here to talk and share with. They come because even though they're not Christian, they enjoy talking with people from all beliefs and backgrounds.
Ok, I believe they could be searching for something. You see, no one can be at peace without Christ. So some search for something through addictions, worldly pleasures, misguided hobbies, etc.
Ah, and you prove my point... Most Christians will readily admit they're not sinless, but they all think they're going to heaven too.
It looks like you understand now, but remember, the hypocrites will be judged too! Also for those who believe, that is a term called faith.
Therefore, I say again, you can get 1,000 Christians in a room, and they'll all disagree about who's going to heaven, without doubting for a moment that they personally will of course be going there.
Theory and conjecture but possible. Again some worldly knowledge.
Of all the translations, I think the KJV is, by far, the least reliable. The church overwhelmingly agreed too, as they tried to have him assasinated to prevent it's being made. King James openly admitted to "improving the Bible" going so far as to repeal a law that gave the death penalty to anybody who translated the Bible in a partisan manner. The Catholics hated him, and they even tried to assasinate him.
The church? They are not the authority. Again you are relying on man for knowledge! I thought you did not?? Of course he was despised by Catholics as they wanted complete control of the scripture. Research! You will find that it was translated from exact scripture and you know what is amazing? It is still viewed as accurate by people SMARTER that you and me who actually are fluent in the original languages.
That Bible is like a game of telephone, with somebody in the middle who doesn't like the message, adding things to it to suit his liking.
Or not following what it states. That perfectly describes your picking and choosing of the scripture. Perfect!
I've actually only taken one, however, if famous philosophers, who're smarter than you and I, agree that the world isn't black or white, then there's something there...
And from death they were born and to ashes they returned. Trusting in man again? They do not have the answers!
Ingrained morality... The basic sense of morality an overwhelming majority of human beings have. That's not wisdom in the world or man, that's acknowledgement of the basic morality that we all share. Almost across the board, people regardless of faith, believe murdering people is bad, stealing is bad, raping is bad... All of those things coincidentally align with the Bible. While people who're not Christian may reject the scripture, because the scripture is based off of common morality, they inadvertantly follow it.
What is ingrained in you and everyone on the planet is from the Lord. It is a seed planted in you. What you do with it, is free choice. I have heard this argument constantly of well if I am a good honest person then all is ok. We will all find out.
Look at Ghandi. He wasn't Christian, but I'm sure he was following the doctrine of Christianity quite by accident better than most Christians.
Are you sure? You have more faith in philosophers than on scripture so how do you know? From your vast amount of worldy knowledge? Consider this. Man trying to dispute scripture are like ants trying to comprehend quantum physics.
I don't strive to follow scripture. However, there are things that are outlined in scripture that I follow not because that's what scripture says but because basic common sense and ingrained morality outline that it's the right course. Am I rebelling? By not comitting adultery, murdering, stealing, am I rebelling against God?
Yes you have stated this. You are rebellious and choose your own path. Again, free will. If you read scripture you will learn that yes, you are rebelling! Please don't take my word for it, just educate yourself on it. You sound like a kind person and God has great plans for you, I just hope you surrender to Jesus to let them be carried out.
All of which are man sources, man translated sources... The best authority on God is God, not a man who claims to know him. Otherwise, you run a high risk of following the word of man over the word of God.
From God's word. You are losing that very important point. Do you know what languages the bible was written in? That is why even today, the transcriptions have stood the test of time. It was not written in unknown languages! Please remember the Bible is from God on God. Please read and educate yourself on this. You will be amazed and moved. Try the NIV or the NLT.
Like I said, convinced of others going to hell while "positive" they're going to heaven.This conversation has really reinforced why I have such issues with Christianity.
I have no ethical problems with premarital sex -- assuming that it's done responsibly and doesn't violate any vows or oaths.hola,
i am curious about whether other religions consider saving yourself for marriage a good thing... Catholicism considers it a very serious sin against chastity to have sex before marriage... i think most Christian denominations consider it a sin also.
also i wanted to know what atheists think about this?
gracias
hola anatolian,
sacred tradition teaches us that Christ and all the disciples were celibate, so were the holy fathers from the beginning...
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