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Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival in honour of the deity Saturn held on December 17 of the Julian calendar and later expanded with festivities through December 23. The holiday was celebrated with a sacrifice at the Temple of Saturn in the Roman Forum and a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival atmosphere that overturned Roman social norms: gambling was permitted, and masters provided table service for their slaves. The poet Catullus called it "the best of days." In Roman mythology, Saturn was an agricultural deity who reigned over the world in the Golden Age, when humans enjoyed the spontaneous bounty of the earth without labor in a state of social egalitarianism. The revelries of Saturnalia were supposed to reflect the conditions of the lost mythical age, not all of them desirable. The Greek equivalent was the Kronia. Although probably the best-known Roman holiday, Saturnalia as a whole is not described from beginning to end in any single ancient source. Modern understanding of the festival is pieced together from several accounts dealing with various aspects. The Saturnalia was the dramatic setting of the multivolume work of that name by Macrobius, a Latin writer from late antiquity who is the major source for the holiday. In one of the interpretations in Macrobius's work, Saturnalia is a festival of light leading to the winter solstice, with the abundant presence of candles symbolizing the quest for knowledge and truth. The renewal of light and the coming of the new year was celebrated in the later Roman Empire at the Dies Natalis of Sol Invictus, the "Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun," on December 25. The popularity of Saturnalia continued into the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, and as the Roman Empire came under Christian rule, some of its customs may have influenced the seasonal celebrations surrounding Christmas and the New Year.
 
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The popularity of Saturnalia continued into the 3rd and 4th centuries AD, and as the Roman Empire came under Christian rule, some of its customs may have influenced the seasonal celebrations surrounding Christmas and the New Year.
In any event, Saturnalia has been eclipsed by Christmas.
 
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I wasn't aware pagans had a monopoly on customs.

be thankful they don't have a copyright -- Christians would be lost without the Pagan customs they stole.
 
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Where would the corporations be without the mass consumers?

What is wrong with mass consumption? I personally enjoy the holiday lights that people put in their windows because they brighten the long winter nights.

Mass produced. Mass consumed. Pretty and festive.

"Consumerism" makes the world a brighter and more joyful place around the holidays.


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I think that those who don't experience three hours of natural light per day have a hard time relating to that
 
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They don't. They can be shared, just as Christmas demonstrates.
I don't think Christians would have accepted an offer from the Saturnalians to share their customs.

2 Corinthians 6:15a And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
 
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pretty words -- planning to follow them at some point?

AV has actually stated several times that he contributes nothing to threads. Apparently, he is simply here for entertainment value. It's why I don't usually bother to reply to anything he says: it has no value, by his own admission.
 
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AV has actually stated several times that he contributes nothing to threads. Apparently, he is simply here for entertainment value. It's why I don't usually bother to reply to anything he says: it has no value, by his own admission.

he is overpaid then.

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AV has actually stated several times that he contributes nothing to threads.
I said I contribute nothing to discussions on creationism; which is something I wish more people would do.

God created the earth ex nihilo, meaning "out of nothing."

Current science says the earth was formed ex materia, meaning out of pre-existing materials.

Internet scientists here haven't a clue as to how effective this data point is ... in my opinion.

They don't understand nothing.

At best, they'll mention virtual particles, but that's as far as their understanding can take them.
 
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Ya ... you fell for her bologna, didn't you? instead of checking it out for yourself, scientist.

no. i did not fall for it. also i agree that you add nothing to the site but disruption.

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I said I contribute nothing to discussions on creationism; which is something I wish more people would do.
And given that creationism is an ideology that contradicts virtually all our observations of the real world, it leaves the creationist with a terrible conundrum.

God created the earth ex nihilo, meaning "out of nothing."
That would be your opinion, yes.

Current science says the earth was formed ex materia, meaning out of pre-existing materials.
That's what the actual observational data points to, yes.

Internet scientists here haven't a clue as to how effective this data point is ... in my opinion.
You haven't offered any data points that are relevant.

They don't understand nothing.
We understand a great deal about both Nothing and nothing.

At best, they'll mention virtual particles, but that's as far as their understanding can take them.
We mention virtual particles because we have observed them. And they also put to the lie the claim that "everything that begins to exist has a cause."

William Lane Craig is detached from reality; the great danger of philosophy.
 
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