This Catholic likes what you said.I realize that I am a Protestant, and therefore a guest on this forum. With that being considered, I will try to be reserved and not debate Catholic theology. God gave the Jewish people the land of Israel. It is God's land, but he essentially leased it to Abraham and his descendants. Therefore the Jews have a right to Israel until Christ returns. Neither the Pope nor anyone else can take that away.
I understand your reasoning, but I do not accept it. You are adopted into the family of God, yes. That is not the same as being adopted into Israel. You are part of the commonwealth, Yes. That is also not the same as being part of Israel. You are spiritually circumcised. That is ALSO not the same as being part of Israel. You are simply not part of Israel. YOu are not a Jew, by your own admission, and the Land is not yours.
I realize that I am a Protestant, and therefore a guest on this forum. With that being considered, I will try to be reserved and not debate Catholic theology. God gave the Jewish people the land of Israel. It is God's land, but he essentially leased it to Abraham and his descendants. Therefore the Jews have a right to Israel until Christ returns. Neither the Pope nor anyone else can take that away.
Well then, you MUST be a believer in Torah then right? Because during the Millenail reign we find the following will happen.
ISAIAH 2:2-4
2 And it shall come to pass at the end of the days, that the mountain of the house of Yahweh shall be established at the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow to it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Yahweh, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Yahweh from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
(Zechariah 14:16-19) And it shall come to pass, that every one who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoever will not come up of all the families of the earth to Jerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt does not go up, and does not come, who have no rain: there shall be the plague, with which Yahweh will smite the heathen who do not come up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that do not come up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
So in your view, the Torah is not for the gentile yet during the mellinial reign ALL mankind will will observe the Torah or Adonai will close up the heavens so that their will be no rain for those who fail to come up to Jerusalem
Like me? It makes me part of Israel as well as part of the Church. Israel is my ethnicity, Catholicism is my religion.what about all of the Jews over the centuries who have converted to Christianity?
Not at all. Jews all over the world can make aliyah to Israel.does the modern secular state of Israel just ignore them?
Aliyah means immigration to Israel based on the fact that one is a Jew.what is the aliyah?
ok, if someone is part of a Catholic Spanish family that can trace its roots back to Jews who converted in 1650, they can go to Israel?
ok, if someone is part of a Catholic Spanish family that can trace its roots back to Jews who converted in 1650, they can go to Israel?
well the promises of God are for the "children of Abraham"
there is no talk of paternal lines or maternal lines
just his descendants
Not necessarily. Ishmael was not included, so said God. Neither was Esau, as per God. So per God, not ALL descendents of Abraham are included in the covenant. It is up to Israel to decide who is and is not Israel. At least for now. When the Messiah returns, we all assume he will return those who are Israel but are unknown to us, including to themselves.The Land belongs to them as well, but we are unable to act on that at this time.well the promises of God are for the "children of Abraham"
there is no talk of paternal lines or maternal lines
just his descendants
Not necessarily. Ishmael was not included, so said God. Neither was Esau, as per God. So per God, not ALL descendents of Abraham are included in the covenant. It is up to Israel to decide who is and is not Israel. At least for now. When the Messiah returns, we all assume he will return those who are Israel but are unknown to us, including to themselves.The Land belongs to them as well, but we are unable to act on that at this time.
thank you for being so respectful and clear
what about all of the Jews over the centuries who have converted to Christianity?
the Spanish Inquisition, say what you will about it, it is a fact that many Jews became Christians
do these descendants of Abraham have any right to the land?
Not necessarily. Ishmael was not included, so said God. Neither was Esau, as per God. So per God, not ALL descendents of Abraham are included in the covenant. It is up to Israel to decide who is and is not Israel. At least for now. When the Messiah returns, we all assume he will return those who are Israel but are unknown to us, including to themselves.The Land belongs to them as well, but we are unable to act on that at this time.
Properly speaking, Hebrew means descendent of Eber. Perhaps you meant Israelite people.Yes, I think they do. When I say that Jews have a right to the land, I am talking about the genetic descendents of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob---the Hebrew people.
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