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Sabbath and the New Covenant

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What I'm talking about is the idea that the overall principle written in our hearts is Love.

Have you talked about that? My impression was that most seventh day observers are reluctant to talk about principles being written in our hearts.
What do you think that OP I posted was about? It's blatantly obvious it's about the principle of love. Do you really think an emotion was what motivated Jesus to die on the cross?

Sometimes I'm blown away by your seeming inability to reason.
 
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What do you think that OP I posted was about? It's blatantly obvious it's about the principle of love.
Do you believe it is the principle of love that God writes on our hearts in the New Covenant, and not specific Commandments?

Do you really think an emotion was what motivated Jesus to die on the cross?

Sometimes I'm blown away by your seeming inability to reason.
 
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Do you believe it is the principle of love that God writes on our hearts in the New Covenant, and not specific Commandments?
The NC was given to Jeremiah a Jew. So what do you think? It's all 10 written in our hearts, not just nine.

So does that mean you don't want to be a partaker of the NC?
 
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The NC was given to Jeremiah a Jew. So what do you think?
The word for law there is Torah. I think it means direction, a pathway.


So in the New Covenant, God puts his direction, how to walk his path, in our hearts.

It's all 10 written in our hearts, not just nine.
Well, I think it would be referring to the entire law there, not just the 10.

And I think a good summary of that entire law / Torah / direction is the principle of love.

Can you say a hearty Amen to that? If not, then we have something to discuss

So does that mean you don't want to be a partaker of the NC?
No, it does not mean that at all.
 
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God's law, the law written on stone, is separate from the temporary laws written on perishable material written on perishable material.

You're in disagreement with Jesus.

Matthew 7: 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
 
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God's law, the law written on stone, is separate from the temporary laws written on perishable material written on perishable material.
Well, Jeremiah and his readers would have thought of Torah as referring to the entire law imo.

You're in disagreement with Jesus.

Matthew 7: 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
No, it's the same. I would like most of all for other people to treat me in a loving fashion. So, that's the way I attempt to treat other people... That is the principle of the entire law / Torah / God's direction
 
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God's law, the law written on stone, is separate from the temporary laws written on perishable material written on perishable material.
Is it only the Ten Commandments that you see written on your heart?

You're in disagreement with Jesus.

Matthew 7: 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
 
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You can disagree with Jesus if you choose. I don't recommend it as if any human knows the truth it is Jesus as He is God. He is the truth.
 
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You can disagree with Jesus if you choose. I don't recommend it as if any human knows the truth it is Jesus as He is God. He is the truth.
I'm not disagreeing with Jesus. Treating other people the way I want to be treated - loving them - is the law and the prophets.
 
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I'm not disagreeing with Jesus. Treating other people the way I want to be treated - loving them - is the law and the prophets.
It is not the Torah. It is not the law of God.
 
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It is not the Torah. It is not the law of God.
I believe that Jesus is talking about Torah / the law of God.


 
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Well, I guess it is time to stop this conversation as our positions are so far apart they will never meet.
 
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Hi BobRyan

Is that a Yes, you do believe the seventh day Sabbath was written on the hearts of people from the very beginning?
I appreciate your willingness to show when you struggle with reading a given set of scriptures posted to make a glaringly obvious point.
In the past you hinted that this is the result of not actually reading the entire post -- I suspect that is the root cause just as you have stated before.
If so, do you believe that a sacred day gathering was also written on the hearts of people from the very beginning?
I believe God informed "man" in Gen 2:2-3 -- "both of them" - about His own sovereign choice to make the 7th day holy - sanctified for holy use such that Jesus said "The Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27

If you think it would help - I can add Gen 2:2-3 to the post you are responding to.
 
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Well, Jeremiah and his readers would have thought of Torah as referring to the entire law imo.
Deut 5:22 - God spoke these TEN words and "added no more".

Jeremiah's readers would know that - and they would know that gentiles were never commanded to be circumcised so as to be saved - even though gentiles are specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6-8
 
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Do you believe it is the principle of love that God writes on our hearts in the New Covenant, and not specific Commandments?
Depends on what the person knows about God's Word, God's Will.

Luke 12 makes it very clear that those who know more about God's Word - His Will - are held to a higher standard of accountability.

Something to think about.
 
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I appreciate your willingness to show when you struggle with reading a given set of scriptures posted to make a glaringly obvious point.
I'm not struggling with the scriptures that you posted. I'm inviting you to clarify your response.

In the past you hinted that this is the result of not actually reading the entire post -- I suspect that is the root cause just as you have stated before.
Your suspicion would be incorrect

Cool! But it's not what I was asking.

Peace be with you, my brother
 
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Deut 5:22 - God spoke these TEN words and "added no more".
That's true. But the 10 are not the entire law

Jeremiah's readers would know that - and they would know that gentiles were never commanded to be circumcised so as to be saved - even though gentiles are specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping in Is 56:6-8
 
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Depends on what the person knows about God's Word, God's Will.
In the New Covenant, God is the one doing the "putting" and the "writing" in the minds and hearts.
Peace be with you, my brother

Luke 12 makes it very clear that those who know more about God's Word - His Will - are held to a higher standard of accountability.

Something to think about.
 
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BobRyan said:

Depends on what the person knows about God's Word, God's Will.
In the New Covenant, God is the one doing the "putting" and the "writing" in the minds and hearts.
In the Bible God says "to the one that knows to do right - and does it not - to him it is sin" James 4:17
In the Bible God says that accountability is according to what one knows Luke 12:45-48

". 45 But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will take a long time to come,’ and he begins to beat the other slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; 46 then the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect, and at an hour that he does not know, and will cut him in two, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. 47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accordance with his will, will receive many blows, 48 but the one who did not know it, and committed acts deserving of a beating, will receive only a few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more."

Leaf - do you view yourself as one who knows or who does not know - ??

John 9:39 And Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, so that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.” 40 Those who were with Him from the Pharisees heard these things and said to Him, “We are not blind too, are we?” 41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now that you maintain, ‘We see,’ your sin remains
 
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