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Romans 4:7 is problematic for me, help - lol

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thereselittleflower

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I try not to say too much about what Luther believed or didn't believe unless I investigated it further, but are you saying that Luther did not believe in sins being washed away or blotted out, but simply covered up?

Right.

Ok - not the greatest example (but not the worst either I guess) but you've heard of air fresheners that neutralize or eliminate odors - while some seem to just cover them up and not remove them - well that's what I'm thinking now lol.

I guess that is a good analogy.
 
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I try not to say too much about what Luther believed or didn't believe unless I investigated it further...

What Luther did or didn't believe isn't really important, but this quote may shed some light on his ideas:

 
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Does anyone realize it was Calvin who actually originated Sola Fide, not Luther, though he was building off of Luthers deficiency of thinking sin was irrrelevant, or as that quote above says; "harmless".

Catholicism rightly expresses this similar soterology in justification.

Protestantism takes it to the extreme to wrongly eliminate the horror of sin.

Since we have Protestants coming in here and quoting Luther with confusing heretical statements I will respond in kind with a few of my favorite quotes from the pope of protest that shows his irrational state:
"As soon as our Gospel began . . . decency . . . and modesty were done away with, and everybody wished to be perfectly free to do whatever he liked." [Walch. V. 114]
"After one Devil (Popery) has been driven out of us, seven worse ones have come down upon us, as is the case with Princes, Lords, Nobles, Citizens and Peasants." [Walch. III. 2727]
"The more and the longer we preach, the worse matters grow." [Walch. XII. 2120]
"After the dominion and power of the Pope has ceased . . . the people, while despising the true doctrine, are now changed into mere irrational animals and beasts;
. . . . "See how foolishly the people everywhere behave towards the Gospel, so that I scarcely know whether I ought to continue preaching or not." [Walch. XI, 3052]
. . . . "If God had not closed my eyes, and if I had foreseen these scandals, I would never have begun to teach the Gospel." [Walch. VI. 920]
In 1538, . . . Luther dwells on the same thought: "Who would have begun to preach, if we had known beforehand that so much unhappiness, tumult, scandal, blasphemy, ingratitude, and wickedness would have been the result?" [Walch. VIII. 564]
. . . . "I confess, that I am much more negligent, than I was under the Pope, and there is now nowhere such an amount of earnestness under the Gospel, as was formerly seen among Monks and Priests." [Walch. IX. 1311]
 
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