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The GOP field is like a game of Roulette. Just bet on crazy, and you're bound to hit it big. I love it...keep this rotating 'top candidate' stuff going for as long as possible. It only benefits Obama in the long run.

Santorum knows that most Americans would support banning contraceptives, and forcing a rape-victim to carry her pregnacy, right? Amirite? Next on the table; the 'no pull-out rule', in which video evidence must be provided for all heterosexual sex-acts, to make sure all non-Catholics abide by Rick's personal theology regarding sex and procreation. Hahahahaha. It's known as 'less government intervention', otherwise known as a 'paradox'.


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Santorum was gonna call it quits according to Fox News sometime yesterday. Now lookie.
Is that true ... did Fox News really say that? Who?

Santorum has consistently said he was in it for the long haul and polling in Minnesota has shown him ahead for quite a while.
 
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Whining about "semantics" after you've been called out on purposefully used an emotionally charged word outside of its normal usage to exaggerate the evil of an entire system, and to justify scaremongering, is not going to work. Words can be pretty important, Zoink. Abortion/murder. Estate tax/Death tax. Pizza/vegetable. etc.

And I already answered your question.

As long as a majority wants something and benefits that makes it okay?

Well, in short, if it's constitutional in this country (basic art. 1 sect. 8 issue), then yes. Is that characteristic of our system a problem to you?
 
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The GOP field is like a game of Roulette. Just bet on crazy, and you're bound to hit it big.
Crazy, man ...

Colorado GOP chairman just announced Santorum won the state with "about 40%" of the vote. - from CNN

Clean sweep for Santorum ... 3 for 3 tonight.

Micah 4:9-13 Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counseller perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.

Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.

But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.

Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.​
 
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With all the in-fighting among the Republicans, Obama's team just needs to sit back and take notes on which attacks have been the most effective.

Go Rick!

You call it an easy win for the Obama team, I call it an excellent display of our people-based system working

Honestly, this is my favorite election year simply because it IS different from how things have worked in our history. That, to me, is a good thing.
 
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Romney won Nevada with the help of the Mormon vote, but in Missouri, many more votes were cast than that of Nevada and with very little Mormon participation. So, it seems Romney just can't sew up the conservative vote. Plus, North Florida didn't like Romney all that much.
So, if Santorum can just get hold of some serious cash he could do well in Super Tuesday, March 6.
 
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But apparently these three "wins" come with zero delegates. Primary season makes no sense to me...

Well, no "bound" delegates. But there are unbound delegates that are technically under some form of moral obligation to vote how their voters wished.

The only State for whom this was truly non-binding and had zero delegates (bound or unbound) is Missouri.
 
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ummm a Santorum sweep? Wow, didn't see that coming...too bad his victory speech tonight was unmemorable, to say the least.

Not really surprising. It was a bunch of states that don't really matter all too much so candidates like Romney & Gingrich didn't spend much effort campaigning in them. It's my understanding is that the more underdog candidates tend to focus more in those states because there's not as much competition from front runners and if they win, it gives them a little bit of momentum.
 
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I was just a little taken aback as I've never encountered someone who didn't think that forcefully entering a person's domicile, subduing, and confining them was a violent act. I've run across many people that have made fantastic arguments that it is a legitimate use of violence, just never someone willing to plant a flag on it not being violence. That's just my anecdotal experience though. Maybe there's a massive group of people who don't consider such things violence that's I'm just not aware of. Thankfully I've never encountered those people in person, as having to constantly repair my door would be rather annoying.

I was purposefully being diplomatic with "threat of violence." Some people don't consider there to be a difference between the threat of violence and violence.

The World Health Organization defines violence as:
"the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."

As we can see in the instance of someone kicking in one's door and dragging one to a cage we have multiple violations.

The Online Etymology Dictionary defines violence as:
"physical force used to inflict injury or damage,"

So we have kicking in the door at a minimum for damage. Being forced into a cage causes both injury and damage.

If we refer to the Merriam-Webster on Violent:
1. marked by extreme force or sudden intense activity

Violence:
3 a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force

Synonyms: force

In the end you are not the arbiter of definitions. You have the same amount of authority as I do to define words. You can say water isn't wet, you can call violence "crème brûlée" if you want. I never intend to advocate that aggression, force, violence or "crème brûlée" be initiated against anyone.

Well, in short, if it's constitutional in this country (basic art. 1 sect. 8 issue), then yes. Is that a problem to you?
The same parchment that was used to legitimize slavery for over a hundred years? Yeah, I have some problems with it.
 
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Rick Santorum is unelectable in 2012 America. Barack Obama, quite obviously, is not.
Said with absolute certain-tood ...

We get plenty of that from media these days ... LOL ... they've been absolutely certain about Romney's victories ... and also Obama's re-immaculation.

Of course, there's the thing about the media being wrong about Iowa ... and South Carolina ... and Colorado ...

Absolute certain-toods seem to be batting only about 500 these days ... maybe a little less, even. Great fun to watch though ...
 
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Actually, he's got a good point. No matter how ticked off at Obama people are, I highly doubt Santorum could beat him, mainly because Santorum takes all the progress of the last 200+ years and throws it all out the window, then revisits the horrors of Medieval Christian theocracy.
 
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