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If John was the prophet Elijah, name a few prophesies he stated, and explain what of the Seven Traditional Miracles to identify Elijah's return he performed???

Why did NOT drink from the Elijah Cup at a Passover?

How come he was so immortal as to have returned after 800 years departure into heaven that he could be killed so easily?


All of the scripture above merely reinforces that Elijah had just LEFT the body/Mind of Jesus and returned with Moses.
 
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It seems clear that Jesus said "if"... if people willnsist on him saying John is the Elijah, then, fine, but the message seems to be that we are to figure this out for ourselves.

One of the dynamic of the time was this argument between believers who assume Christ was the messiah ben David who would then and there defeat the Romans, and those others who did not get a direct answer.


Jesus KNEW full well that Jewish Tradition had already said they could know The Elijah had returned by the miracles he would perform.



Google The Seven Miracles of Elijah to check me out on this.

Then explain why would God have Jesus repeat the same things which Elijah had done???




Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead.[/font]
Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.[/font]
Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.[/font]
Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.[/font]
Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.[/font]
Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.[/font]
Both Elijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.[/font]
Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.[/font]
Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.[/font]
Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.[/font]
Both appointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.[/font]
Both were hunted by the Jewish authorities.
Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead.[/font]
Both gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.
Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.[/font]
Both had miraculous births.[/font]
Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd.[/font]
Both destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.
Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.[/font]
 
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Fireinfolding said:
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Yes the christians will not change their mind on this because they have been totally trained to agrue the opposite.
AND... this will noto away, either.

Neither will they be intellectually fair and open to the points made about the strange repetitious behavior ofesus in repesating the acts and miracles done by Elijah.

The testimony found in the New Testament can be used to argue either way, since John specifically denied being Elijah, returned, and that he did noiracles nor did he prophesy.

Jesus did say Elijah had come but only AFTER the Transfiguration, where Elijah had just LEFT jesus.

It will be the Jews who grasp this, that Elijah did come in 32AD.
They will evangelizing the vast numbers of Christians and bringing them into new Elijah centered Churches.
 
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Surely reincarnation falls down in the face of ever increasing population.
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Daniel[sup]6[/sup][sub]45[/sub] Gillan,

I've stated this before; the "ever increasing (human) population" argument is given by anti-reincarnationists who don't take into consideration animals and souls from other planets who think of Earth as 'heaven(s)'.

We now have scientific proof of reincarnation including experimental 'direct reincarnations' including my previous incarnation as Albert Einstein.


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Cupid Dave,

Nice presentaion. Would you like to 'go the extra mile' and provide chapter & verse for all those Elijah & Jesus 'coincidences'? Are you implying that you think Jesus was a reincarnation of Elijah? You've presentated a logical argument for that.


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There are so many verses that this forum says I must post in twice:

1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:
1 Kings 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

3) Both Elijah and Christ ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it.

Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I even I only am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death


6) Both Elijah and Christ were hunted by the Jewish authorities

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away


John 7:25 ] Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?


7) Both Elijah and Christ hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

8) Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.


9) Both Elijah and Christ walked on across the water

2 Kings 2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground


Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea


10) Both Elijah and Christ let a person follow them across the water:

2 Kings 2:14 And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over

Matthew 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.


11) Both Elijah and Christ wrote only one thing, a letter, to people on Earth AFTER they had ascended:

2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


12) Both Elijah and Christ appointed a successor, Elisha, by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ:

2 Kings 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
 
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13) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to raise the dead:

2 Kings 8:5 And it came to pass, as he was telling the king how he had restored a dead body to life, that, behold, the woman, whose son he had restored to life, cried to the king for her house and for her land. And Gehazi said, My lord, O king, this is the woman, and this is her son, whom Elisha restored to life

Acts 9:40 But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up

14) Both Elijah and Christ. gave a successor the power to heal:

2 Kings 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean


Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk


15) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other:


1 Kings 19:19 So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven



16) Both Elijah and Christ asked that this "cup" be taken from them

Kings 19:4 But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt

17) Both Elijah and Christ had miraculous births:

Jewish Encyclopedia
Three different theories regarding Elijah's origin are presented in the Haggadah: Mention must be made of a statement which, though found only in the later cabalistic literature (Yal?u? Reubeni, Bereshit, 9a, ed. Amsterdam), seems nevertheless to be very old (see Epiphanius, l.c.), and according to which Elijah was an angel in human form, so that he had neither parents nor offspring.

Matthew1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


18) Both Elijah and Christ. destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests. Elijah destroyed the priests of Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome, 380AD:

1 Kings 18:40 And Elija said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.


History: Universal Christianity in 380AD:
Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years (32AD -1054AD)

19) Both Elijah and Christ were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.

2 Kings 2:2 I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel
2 Kings 2:4 I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho
2 Kings 2:6 I will not leave thee. And they two went on

John 21:17 He saith unto him the third time,... "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, "Lovest thou me?"


20) Both Elijah and Christ condemned a Jezebel:

2 Kings 9:36 Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel:

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.


21) Both Elijah and Christ re-dedicated the Israelite people to God by raising up a new altar or temple:

1 Ki 18:30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down
And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.



22) Both Elijah and Christ chose one man upon which to build his following:

2 Kings 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


23) Both Elijah and Christ were subject of a three day 'search' for their presence

2 Kings 2:1 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.

Luke 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
 
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Reincarnation is real
Originally Posted by Agnikan

(Hasidic belief in reincarnation) is common knowledge; it's not a secret. Just google "Hasidic reincarnation". I can't link anything, since I don't yet have 50 posts.
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Agnikan,

That's right. Hasidic[sup]7[/sup] Jews[sup]4[/sup] and Kaballists believe in reincarnation (Kaballa[sup]7[/sup][sub]40[/sub]). The Esseenes of Jesus' time did also.




When you google: Hasidic reincarnation, the first 10 sites that come up are...
  1. Hasidism.info -- a FAQ on Hasidism (Chassidism) Part 1-A of 3



    A lot of people have expressed extreme astonishment that Hasidim would believe in things like reincarnation, prophetic dreams, miracles, angels, spiritual ...
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  2. Jewish Reincarnation Stories from Hasidic (Chassidic) tradition



    Four sample stories from Reb Yonassan Gershom's new 1999 book, Jewish Tales of Reincarnation.
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  3. Gilgul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    3 Other processes of transmigration; 4 Relevance of Gilgul in Hasidism ... The notion of reincarnation, while held as a mystical belief by some, is not an essential ...
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  4. Kabbalah and Hasidism


    [5] In fact, with the Kabbalistic emphasis among Hasidic rebbes on meditation, reincarnation (gilgul neshamot)[6] and the possibility for sublime union with G-d ...
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    Nov 21, 2009 ... Orthodox Judaism also rejects reincarnation as doctrine, but the Hasidic sect and those who follow the teachings of the Kabbalah, a collection ...
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Cupid Dave,

Thanks for the extra work of providing the chapter & verse references. Can I use all that in my research?

But, did you answer my question of are you implying that Elijah and Jesus were incarnations of the same eternal[sup]7[/sup] soul[sup]4[/sup]?



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1) Oh, definitely, you are welcome to use anything I posted and you can visit the site where I got it and much more at:

Revelation21:The evolution of the new human paradigm


2) Yes, I am saying that the ONLY direct statement in the OT abouit some one expected to come down from heaven is about the Elijah coming back again.


Anyone who argues this point is at the disadvantage of having two immortals on their hands, Elijah returning after 800 years, and The Christ resurrecting and going (back) to heaven.



13And no man (Jesus) hath ascended up to heaven (as we read about in 32AD), but he, (The Elijah), that came down (after 800 years) from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven
 
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You are pretending again that you are a seperate entity from the site.

You say "that's where I got it." But you should say "that's where I keep it."

It matters to me when people purposefully misrepresent themselves, especially for a gain. Do I need to remind you how you were caught, as kofh2u, pretending not to be affiliated with the site and suggesting to people to send donations?
 
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Nonsense.

Your accusations are immaterial to this discussion.

Need I remind you,... that above, you told me to stick with reincarnation as I have so done.

Here is more:


"For just as the Father raises the dead (the code for reconstruction resting in the human gene pool) and gives them life (again), even so, (Holy Conscience), the Son, (by means of the next mutation in our evolution: [Gen 9:11]), also gives life to whom He wishes. For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to (the Holy Conscience in their psyche), the Son, (and they, themselves, will know the judgement), so that all will honor the Son (who is Truth) even as they honor the Father (who is almighty Reality).
He who does not honor (the Holy Conscience within his psyche), the Son, does not honor (almighty reality), the Father (sanely imaged in his own mind: [Gen 1:26-7]) who sent Him." - John 5:21-23


see Revelation21:The evolution of the new human paradigm
 
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