Rep. Omar Says "Something"...

Ana the Ist · Apr 11, 2019

Here we are again, with Rep. Omar firmly lodging her foot in her mouth and not understanding how it got there...

There's two things she said recently that deserve attention. Firstly, she called Stephen Miller a "white nationalist"...

There's Nothing Controversial About Calling Stephen Miller What He Is

This article clearly agrees with her....and I chose it because I felt it was the most informative of the articles I read. I think that given his possible association with Richard Spencer in college (and I don't really know what that relationship was, just that they "tried" to work together) one could reasonably argue that Miller is a white supremacist. That's a difficult argument to make, because Miller is Jewish, and white supremacists are notoriously anti-Semitic.

So I'm willing to say there may be cause to suspect him of being a white supremacist. The problem is that she seemed to be calling Miller this because of his position on immigration. Let me be very clear....that isn't a reason to believe Miller is a white supremacist. A tough stance against illegal immigration, especially when it's such a big problem, doesn't make someone any kind of supremacist. If someone says "only whites should be allowed to immigrate to the US"...then one can accuse them of being a white supremacist based on immigration policy.

This is a big problem on the left with muddying the waters regarding bigotry. By labeling anyone who is tough on immigration some kind of bigot...they effectively shut down dialogue and solutions are never realized.

The second thing she said is more controversial...but also kinda hilarious...

I picked the HuffPo for this because it's a hilarious combination of bias, lies, and whataboutism...

New York Post Attacks Ilhan Omar For 'Dismissive' 9/11 Comments

Basically, during a speech to her supporters, Omar referred to the terrorist attacks on 9-11 as "something someone did". This is undoubtedly upsetting to people who didn't already know she's a terrorist sympathizer. I had looked into her past comments when she said her anti-Semitic statements....so I already knew she was a terrorist sympathizer.

The leftist media has called those like the New York Post inflammatory for using her quote "out of context". When one looks at the context...the meaning of the quote doesn't change at all. One can read her entire speech and it's rather obvious that she meant to diminish the deaths of victims on 9-11 and she was more concerned about the bigotry muslims faced after 9-11.

Again, I think this is somewhat hilarious and I fully plan to use this tactic in the future. If someone wants to talk about reparations for example....you might see me say....

"Well, Europeans colonized the Americas...then some people did some stuff....and now everyone has equal rights."

I fully encourage everyone to Omar any discussion of a topic that might paint their "identity group" in a negative light. At the very least, it should highlight what an awful Representative she is...and hopefully will keep her awful beliefs in the public consciousness during her reelection bid

Apologetic_Warrior · Apr 11, 2019

She lives in Bizzaro world, the same world where James Comey is still director of the FBI.

chevyontheriver · Apr 11, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
I fully encourage everyone to Omar any discussion of a topic that might paint their "identity group" in a negative light.

Oh my! To 'Omar' is a verb now? Where have I been that I missed that?

When someone calls another a name I tend to heavily discount anything else they will say. Thus the cascade of 'racist' accusations have me almost entirely turned off.

NothingIsImpossible · Apr 11, 2019

She also wouldn't call 9/11 a terrorist attack she said it was "Just a group of people who did something". (Staff Edit)

dzheremi · Apr 11, 2019

I think the hilarity is in someone coming from a country that has been destroyed by tribal civil war and a people who are notoriously barely held together only by a common respect for Islam being expected to make anything other than the types of comments she makes. There are secular, non-tribally minded Somalis out there like Ayaan Hirsi Ali (rejected by most of her own due to her own rejection of Islam), Maryam Mursal (rejected by many due to her rejection of tribalism)...heck, even the former dictator Siad Barre might qualify, in the sense that he promoted Somali nationalism and a strong state (with himself as its leader, of course), as opposed to tribalism or Islamism. Rep. Omar does not seem to be one of these people.

I think Rep. Omar has to walk a thin and very dangerous line in fitting in (or trying to) with the American ideal of pluralism and maintaining a sort of 'authenticity' as a Muslim, Somali, etc. -- all the stuff that gets her attention in the first place. (If some non-Muslim, non-hijabi white lady or man had said this "some people" thing, they'd be dismissed as being 'merely' PC, rather than Islamist.)

Chesterton · Apr 11, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
This article clearly agrees with her....and I chose it because I felt it was the most informative of the articles I read. I think that given his possible association with Richard Spencer in college (and I don't really know what that relationship was, just that they "tried" to work together) one could reasonably argue that Miller is a white supremacist. That's a difficult argument to make, because Miller is Jewish, and white supremacists are notoriously anti-Semitic.

The Wiki on Miller says he once helped Spencer organize a debate at Duke. That's all it says. Even Spencer said "the relationship had been exaggerated". Also, "Miller has said he has 'absolutely no relationship with Mr. Spencer' and that he 'completely repudiates his views, and his claims are 100 percent false.'"
Plus the fact that yeah, Spencer has frequently denounced Jews.

ETA: Thank you, Mr./Ms. Moderator, whoever you are.

Ana the Ist · Apr 11, 2019

NothingIsImpossible said:
She also wouldn't call 9/11 a terrorist attack she said it was "Just a group of people who did something". (Staff Edit)

I'm not going to guess...but she's actually pled with judges in the past to let go of muslim Americans who were arrested when they tried to join ISIS.

Now, I don't know the specifics of that case....but generally speaking, I'm a little concerned about a legislator who thinks that terrorists deserve a second chance, yet a guy who advocates for tougher immigration laws/security is a problem.

It's almost as if she's not a fan of the US in general.

Ana the Ist · Apr 11, 2019

Chesterton said:
The Wiki on Miller says he once helped Spencer organize a debate at Duke. That's all it says. Even Spencer said "the relationship had been exaggerated". Also, "Miller has said he has 'absolutely no relationship with Mr. Spencer' and that he 'completely repudiates his views, and his claims are 100 percent false.'"
Plus the fact that yeah, Spencer has frequently denounced Jews.

ETA: Thank you, Mr./Ms. Moderator, whoever you are.

Lol I don't know what the extent of that working relationship is. I don't pretend to. There's obviously the consideration of how long ago it was as well. I don't know what Spencer's views were back then, and I don't see much point in speculating.

It's like this IMO...

If you're buddy buddy with Farrakhan after he joined the NOI....especially after he took control...that's problematic. You could be rightly accused of being a black supremacist.

If you and Farrakhan opened a neighborhood lemonade stand when you were 7yo....that's not really a problem. I don't care if they advertised the lemonade as "made from 100% white tears".

Ana the Ist · Apr 11, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
Oh my! To 'Omar' is a verb now? Where have I been that I missed that?

I just made it up before posting...though if it catches on, I'd like to get credit for it lol.

When someone calls another a name I tend to heavily discount anything else they will say. Thus the cascade of 'racist' accusations have me almost entirely turned off.

Sorry, is this a reference to Omar calling Miller a "white nationalist/supremacist"?

chevyontheriver · Apr 11, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
I just made it up before posting...though if it catches on, I'd like to get credit for it lol.

OK.

Sorry, is this a reference to Omar calling Miller a "white nationalist/supremacist"?

Eh, racist, white nationalist, supremacist, I can't manage a distinction. To me they are all just names the liberals use for folks they don't like.

Chesterton · Apr 11, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
Lol I don't know what the extent of that working relationship is. I don't pretend to. There's obviously the consideration of how long ago it was as well. I don't know what Spencer's views were back then, and I don't see much point in speculating.

It's like this IMO...

If you're buddy buddy with Farrakhan after he joined the NOI....especially after he took control...that's problematic. You could be rightly accused of being a black supremacist.

If you and Farrakhan opened a neighborhood lemonade stand when you were 7yo....that's not really a problem. I don't care if they advertised the lemonade as "made from 100% white tears".

Yes, timing is important. Miller knew Spencer before he became a notorious white nationalist. In contrast, for example, Obama buddied up with "unrepentant terrorist" Bill Ayers after he was an infamous terrorist. Obama attended Jeremiah Wright's church while he was spewing racist anti-American hate.

mark kennedy · Apr 12, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
Here we are again, with Rep. Omar firmly lodging her foot in her mouth and not understanding how it got there...

There's two things she said recently that deserve attention. Firstly, she called Stephen Miller a "white nationalist"...

There's Nothing Controversial About Calling Stephen Miller What He Is

This article clearly agrees with her....and I chose it because I felt it was the most informative of the articles I read. I think that given his possible association with Richard Spencer in college (and I don't really know what that relationship was, just that they "tried" to work together) one could reasonably argue that Miller is a white supremacist. That's a difficult argument to make, because Miller is Jewish, and white supremacists are notoriously anti-Semitic.

So I'm willing to say there may be cause to suspect him of being a white supremacist. The problem is that she seemed to be calling Miller this because of his position on immigration. Let me be very clear....that isn't a reason to believe Miller is a white supremacist. A tough stance against illegal immigration, especially when it's such a big problem, doesn't make someone any kind of supremacist. If someone says "only whites should be allowed to immigrate to the US"...then one can accuse them of being a white supremacist based on immigration policy.

This is a big problem on the left with muddying the waters regarding bigotry. By labeling anyone who is tough on immigration some kind of bigot...they effectively shut down dialogue and solutions are never realized.

The second thing she said is more controversial...but also kinda hilarious...

I picked the HuffPo for this because it's a hilarious combination of bias, lies, and whataboutism...

New York Post Attacks Ilhan Omar For 'Dismissive' 9/11 Comments

Basically, during a speech to her supporters, Omar referred to the terrorist attacks on 9-11 as "something someone did". This is undoubtedly upsetting to people who didn't already know she's a terrorist sympathizer. I had looked into her past comments when she said her anti-Semitic statements....so I already knew she was a terrorist sympathizer.

The leftist media has called those like the New York Post inflammatory for using her quote "out of context". When one looks at the context...the meaning of the quote doesn't change at all. One can read her entire speech and it's rather obvious that she meant to diminish the deaths of victims on 9-11 and she was more concerned about the bigotry muslims faced after 9-11.

Again, I think this is somewhat hilarious and I fully plan to use this tactic in the future. If someone wants to talk about reparations for example....you might see me say....

"Well, Europeans colonized the Americas...then some people did some stuff....and now everyone has equal rights."

I fully encourage everyone to Omar any discussion of a topic that might paint their "identity group" in a negative light. At the very least, it should highlight what an awful Representative she is...and hopefully will keep her awful beliefs in the public consciousness during her reelection bid

I was wondering why the Secretary of Homeland Security, after a brilliant testimony before Congress, was canned. It was to make way fir Stephen Miller. I don't know about white supremacist but he is definately a nationalist it's been a while since I've seen wholesale protectionism butif that's what you want, he's your guy.

Ana the Ist · Apr 12, 2019

mark kennedy said:
I was wondering why the Secretary of Homeland Security, after a brilliant testimony before Congress, was canned.

She resigned, didn't she?

I'm sure she has her reasons...but those reasons are just speculation. My guess is that she didn't want to be the one blamed when the humanitarian crisis at the border becomes a tragedy.

Ana the Ist · Apr 12, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
OK.

Eh, racist, white nationalist, supremacist, I can't manage a distinction. To me they are all just names the liberals use for folks they don't like.

Realistically, there's no difference between a white nationalist or supremacist in the context those terms are thrown around.

I only asked because I wasn't sure what you were referencing to.

mark kennedy · Apr 12, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
She resigned, didn't she?

I'm sure she has her reasons...but those reasons are just speculation. My guess is that she didn't want to be the one blamed when the humanitarian crisis at the border becomes a tragedy.

I don't think so, it's in the first paragraph:

White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller might finally get what he wants, with Donald Trump vowing, "We want to go in a tougher direction" on immigration. According to The Wall Street Journal, Trump reportedly told him "you're in charge" of the administration's immigration policy. Miller may have also had a hand in pushing out Kirstjen Nielsen as secretary of Homeland Security. Nielsen reportedly enraged Trump in her unwillingness to resort to illegal measures, like closing down the border entirely and reinstating the family-separation policy for people crossing the border after a judge ruled against it. (There’s Nothing Controversial About Calling Stephen Miller What He Is)

Now I don't know where they get the 'reportedly enraged' apparently the news doesn't have to provide a well ordered list of source material the way they had to in college. I thought Nielsen was brilliant in that hearing, very loyal to the Trump administration and I was puzzled that she suddenly resigned. This is telling me that there was pressure from the Trump administration that wanted to close the boarder if necessary and separate families. This sounds like vintage Trump, I really don't see anything about a humanitarian crisis, what I see is a Secretary who was unwilling to break the law.

Chesterton · Apr 12, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
Realistically, there's no difference between a white nationalist or supremacist in the context those terms are thrown around.

I only asked because I wasn't sure what you were referencing to.

In America you may be right, but I think in the wider world there could or should be a distinction made. A lot of people want to live among their "own kind", and govern themselves, and preserve their culture and whatnot. Like the Kurds of Iraq, the Basque of Spain, the Japanese, etc. They're nationalist and I suppose separatist, but I've never heard any of them called "supremacist", and I wouldn't consider them that myself.

chevyontheriver · Apr 12, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
She resigned, didn't she?

I'm sure she has her reasons...but those reasons are just speculation. My guess is that she didn't want to be the one blamed when the humanitarian crisis at the border becomes a tragedy.

I suspect she 'chose' to jump by being pushed out the door of the airplane. It looks better that way than being fired, but I really suspect they handed her the resignation papers.

Ana the Ist · Apr 12, 2019

mark kennedy said:
I don't think so, it's in the first paragraph:

Its GQ...it's heavy on liberal bias. She resigned. You're wrong.

'It was long past time for her to go': Dems welcome Kirstjen Nielsen's departure as DHS secretary

This is telling me that there was pressure from the Trump administration that wanted to close the boarder if necessary and separate families. This sounds like vintage Trump, I really don't see anything about a humanitarian crisis, what I see is a Secretary who was unwilling to break the law.

Well if you want to see things...you'll need to do some looking.

Humanitarian Crisis At The Southern Border Builds, Border Patrol Says

mark kennedy · Apr 12, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
Its GQ...it's heavy on liberal bias. She resigned. You're wrong.

'It was long past time for her to go': Dems welcome Kirstjen Nielsen's departure as DHS secretary

Wrong about what, she obviously wasn't extreme enough for the President:

“It is deeply alarming that the Trump Administration official who put children in cages is reportedly resigning because she is not extreme enough for the White House’s liking,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a statement. “The President’s dangerous and cruel anti-immigrant policies have only worsened the humanitarian suffering at the border and inflicted vast suffering on the families who have been torn apart.”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer echoed Pelosi: “When even the most radical voices in the administration aren’t radical enough for President Trump, you know he’s completely lost touch with the American people,” the New York senator said in a statement. (USA Today)

The Speaker of the House didn't like the fact that she put children in cages, and the Minority Leader simply expressed the opinion she wasn't radical enough for the President.

Well if you want to see things...you'll need to do some looking.

Humanitarian Crisis At The Southern Border Builds, Border Patrol Says

I'm not finding anything I didn't already know, the spike in illegal boarder crossings is due to a loophole in the law, Kirstjen Nielsen warned the Congress needs to fix. Most of them are simply turning themselves in and the way I get it, about half of them never go to court. They are taken to a transportation center, dropped off and take off like nothing ever happened. This is how the Trump administration is going to fix illegal immigration? What's more the humanitarian crises is in the countries they are fleeing, that's why so many asylum seekers are entering illegally.

Aryeh Jay · Apr 12, 2019

Ana the Ist said:
She resigned, didn't she?

I'm sure she has her reasons...but those reasons are just speculation. My guess is that she didn't want to be the one blamed when the humanitarian crisis at the border becomes a tragedy.

Just put 300,000 Marines armed with machine guns and flame throwers on the border and there will be no tragedy when the hordes see we mean business to keep America for the Americans.

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