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Remember when it was a 'conspiracy theory'?

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I'm not a Democratic Party member, or a voter. I'm not even from USA.

Well then how can you be sure Biden won? I mean, the other side has almost convinced me that the giant space laser controlling lizard shape shifters pulled a fast one in Michigan, George, and Arizona.
 
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Well then how can you be sure Biden won?
The election results came in. Biden won the popular vote by over 7 million more votes than Trump.
With regards to the electoral system (which is the official system for determining the elected president) Biden got 306 vs Trump's 232

With regards to the 60 court cases the Republican Party submitted, they all failed in the courts.
On Jan 6th the election result was confirmed by the Senate
On Jan 20th Biden was inaugurated.
 
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So then you have no proof that Biden won.

 
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The opposition talking point and sound bite, guaranteed to excite the blood of all true believers, typed out with admirable loyalty, although misguided and misplaced.

I see I struck a chord.
 
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I was hoping you were about to make a claim to original thinking.

I would you hope for that? I am just one of the indoctrinated socialists serving in the military that isn't up to snuff with the Russians. God bless Ted Cruz and his Soviet Supermen.
 
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I would you hope for that? I am just one of the indoctrinated socialists serving in the military that isn't up to snuff with the Russians. God bless Ted Cruz and his Soviet Supermen.

Yes, God bless Ted Cruz!
 
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Humans and chimps are 98.8 % percent similar in DNA, but what a huge difference that 1.2% percent makes. Thus, I can imagine the 4% difference makes a significant difference.

Humans and chimps share a surprising 98.8 percent of their DNA.
Comparing Chimp, Bonobo and Human DNA | AMNH.
 
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I did a web search for references to conspiracy theory and Covid during 2020. I checked the stories showing in the first page of results. They all referred to Covid being engineered in a lab, not to leaks. Probably someone referred to lab leaks sometime as conspiracy theory, but the term was mostly used to refer to the idea that the virus was engineered, and particularly claims that it was released intentionally by big pharma to sell vaccines. There really were conspiracy theories going around.

Here’s a review ( not the web search I just referred to) of some of the stories from the past year. Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible If you read actual scientific statements, it has been clear for quite some time that while the market seemed likely there was not yet clear evidence. There still isn’t. Lab workers being ill with flu like symptoms is suggestive, but that’s not proof either. The lab was apparently dealing with lots of illnesses, so even if they got something in the lab it might not have been Covid. I’m very much afraid that without more Chinese help we may never know. But a leak from the lab is not conspiracy theory. It was always and still is possible. That the WHO review seems not to have been allowed to examine it certainly lends it credibility.

One interesting thing that showed up in one of the articles is that the lab was doing some of the work at level 2. That’s not a highly restrictive level of isolation. Here’s a list of the levels. Biosafety Levels for Laboratories. ‘The Biosafety Level 2 laboratory is generally utilized for work that involves “the broad spectrum of indigenous moderate-risk agents that are present in the community and associated with human disease of varying severity.”’
 
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'Leaks' can be intentional or unintentional (see#87).

Fox News reported in April about increasing confidence that the COVID-19 outbreak likely originated in a Wuhan laboratory, though not as a bioweapon but as part of China's attempt to demonstrate that its efforts to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of the United States.

Multiple sources who had been briefed on the details of early actions by China's government and who had seen relevant materials told Fox News.
Ex-MI6 boss says coronavirus likely engineered in Wuhan lab
 
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I loved Karl's comments. He said the lab leak theory could still be true even though trump said it. It's reminiscent of the broken clock that is even correct twice a day hahaha.
 
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The second story seems not to have been accepted by other experts, even now.

Further, the second story cites evidence from the first, implying withou quite saying that it supports the engineering theory.
 
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Common flu maps pretty close to the virus in terms of symptoms. Just because people got sick in late 2019 does not mean they had cv19. There is no real evidence here.
 
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Common flu maps pretty close to the virus in terms of symptoms. Just because people got sick in late 2019 does not mean they had cv19. There is no real evidence here.
Apparently they were hospitalized. Flu can sometimes be that serious, but if three people from the lab were hospitalized at the same time with flu like symptoms that’s interesting. The first known case outside the lab is Nov 17, so the timing is tight.
 
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