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To slave one's sense of success or failure, rich or poor, to one's position relative to others, is true slavery.
Relativists will never know contentment or charity, which are true freedoms.
I feel that I am a slave to your obscure writings and bad poems. I beg for charity that you will stop.
 
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So a rich man tells you he will keep you alive through food and shelter as long as you work on his field, and if you do not practice contentment with that, you aren't free.

No better argument for actual slavery than what the OP has written above.

Slave-owners kept their slaves alive through food and shelter as long as the slaves worked on the slave-owners field, and if they didn't practice contentment, they were beaten within an inch of their lives.

NOT being beaten within an inch of your life = freedom?!

Clearly your argument put it's axiom in the wrong place!
 
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... devout relativists.

As with all relativists, these seek the exculpatory.
Unfortunately, the exculpatory is also the least empowering.

Relativists are content to have less, as long as they are not aware of others having more.

Jealousy is a strong desire for what belongs to oneself.
Covetousness is a strong desire for what belongs to others.
Envy is a strong desire to prevent others from obtaining more than oneself.

I saw a movie wherein the zombies were infected with a rage-virus.
We have become a plague nation, we are infected with envy.

Because the envious slave their sense of success or failure, rich or poor, to their position relative to others, they are content with less, as long as they are no aware of others having more. This consistently proves irresistible to the covetous, who seek to obtain what belongs to others by promising equal outcomes to the envious.

The covetous receive their authority from an envious majority at the expense of a jealous minority.

The covetous often enslave the envious by promising them equal outcomes, and that makes me jealous.

I speculate that if everyone had a wish, no one would get anything,
because we would all cancel out eachother's wishes.
That's exactly what's happening.
All of the obsticles we face, as a nation, are obsticles we have conjured up against ourselves. We have become "Les Nesman tape on the floor silly".

I'll give this word to the envious and covetous relativists out there;
we can out wait you, you're hurting yourselves more than you're hurting us.
 
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To slave one's sense of success or failure, rich or poor, to one's position relative to others, is true slavery.
Relativists will never know contentment or charity, which are true freedoms.
Apparently your lack of understand of business and economics is outdone by your lack of understand of people.
 
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I don't think anyone really takes it as far as your delusion sees it as. You talk as if we spend all day thinking of what others have.

What I really think about, if anything, and very little of it: the hypocrisy of those espouse a belief in the Bible, but choose to think GREED is not among his commandments, but ENVY is the only one being broken anymore.

Your whole post here is another diatribe against ENVY and picking on others for being the least bit envious, while I'd bet a 1,000,000 dollars you've never railed against GREED at all.

You should quit letting those radio millionaires tell you only that which makes them richer, and if ENVY is an issue, so is GREED. Quit fighting boogey-men of your own design. Your intuition is not always right, it must be tempered with proof, not encouraged in self-righteousness.

People that aren't worth two-bits spreading arguments that are completely without their favor in hopes of feeling like a hero to those that simply don't care...
 
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To slave one's sense of success or failure, rich or poor, to one's position relative to others, is true slavery.
Relativists will never know contentment or charity, which are true freedoms.

Great thoughts, Bricklayer. I believe there's a bit of philosopher in you. You're right, the guy trying to keep up with the Jones' really is the slave. Even if he reaches his goal, he find it empty.
 
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Great thoughts, Bricklayer. I believe there's a bit of philosopher in you. You're right, the guy trying to keep up with the Jones' really is the slave. Even if he reaches his goal, he find it empty.
If the Jones' have three square meals a day, shelter, clothing and some measure of safety and security, then a pox on the man trying to keep up with that! He's just keeping himself from being happy!
 
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I always hear people around here talking about how the poor are envious of the rich, and are using the rich-poor divide as a baseline, but every poor person I've met uses "can I afford rent/medicine this month" as the baseline. I hear the millionaires talking about how if they were taxed less they could afford another yacht to "spur the economy," but asking to be able to afford health insurance when you work 60 hours a week hardly seems like "envy" to me.
 
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But demanding that someone else pay for it does. Getting to the root cause of the rise in health care costs is one thing. Throwing in the towel and empowering the state to confiscate the property of others to provide you with an unearned benefit is another.
 
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Then we have a warped definition of "earned." Anyone contributing 60 hours of necessary work per week to the economy of the country should be able to not worry about getting sick. I don't care if you're job is scrubbing toilets, you're still putting in full time hours to keep the country running. It seems to me like anyone with a full time job should "earn" healthcare, rent, and food.
 
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Paid for by whom?
 
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Paid for by whom?

Preferably those at the top of the pyramid. It's all well and good to claim "everything I own I earned," but try running a shipping company without your delivery workers. Everyone with a job contributes to a functioning society, so we should all chip in to make sure that everyone can have healthcare, pay rent within their means, and eat foods within their means.
 
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Preferably those who benefit from your work, regardless of their position on the "pyramid". I don't expect the guy down the street to pay for my house to be painted because his house is bigger. That would be idiotic.

No, everyone who is PRODUCTIVE contributes to a functioning society. Some peopole think they should get paid just for showing up. If you produce ten dollars worth of widgets in a day, what makes you think I should pay you twenty dollars for them? After you are paid for the value of your productivity, anything more is CHARITY, not a right.

If you want to chip in, have at it, choose your favorite charity and give as much as you wish. Just keep your hands out of my pocket, and I won't force you to contribute to my favorite charities, like church and prolife organizations.
 
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If the Jones' have three square meals a day, shelter, clothing and some measure of safety and security, then a pox on the man trying to keep up with that! He's just keeping himself from being happy!

You missed the point.
 
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Preferably those at the top of the pyramid.
Well sure, preferably anyone but you, I suppose. But from where do you derive the 'right' to take what belongs to someone else and use it for your own purposes? Within their means? You mean within the means of others.
 
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Umaro, I'm pretty sure you understand this, but for all the lurkers:

We have to keep in mind that some people can only feel good about themselves, when they label and categorize others as below themselves. So, what we are hearing here really is:

OP: I don't practice envy, so I'm better than those that do(even if they really don't...) I don't launch war against the rich(who have more money than they can spend) so I hope to get a pat on the head from them someday, and I actually feel that every time I come to their defense.

I know I am kind of guilty of the same thing, but at least I'm not a SLAVE to repeated thought, and I do respect my own interest in a Democracy and not those of others. I mean, to subvert your own interests and needs in order to make yourself simply appear to not be a slave, that's just stupidity. People are dependent on each other, no matter what they tell themselves. These guys? Oh, they tell themselves everyday how awesome they are in being self-dependent. These same "folks" don't mind that their wages drop 4% over a ten year period, but they get up in arms when Uncle Sam takes 3% from them. They don't hear about the drop in wages adjusted for inflation from radio, so to them, it's not a reality they can consider. Imagine if you didn't know the definition of NUCLEAR, and then someone brought it to your attention. Would you make up a response? These guys would! They really don't know what they are talking about, and they hold simple-minded views because of lack in variables they can consider. If 4% of their wages goes away, they can't consider it, but if Rush tells them of an across the board increase in taxes, well, they hear it, and then can consider it.

Funny thing is: when Bush gave these guys a 3% drop in taxes, Corporations gave them a larger drop in pay, so these guys never felt the effect of that tax decrease. BUT, Corporations kept their tax decrease, AND STOLE THEIRS!

It's amazing what with-holding a concept can do for those that know, versus those that don't!

Hey Rush, you keep'em busy blaming everything on government WITH NEVER BLAMING ANYTHING ON BUSINESS, and Corporate America will continue to pay you $80,000,000 a year.
 
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