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There you go, you study those who come after the apostles
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I don't personally try to interpret Scripture. I study it, and what the Church teaches about it. Those who were taught by the apostles know more than I do.
Not heard that one before....care to elaborate?for example, we know that a horse represents the church...
First post auto replied when my comp rebooted... then when I clicked to reproof Antelems, that post joined with the first post that I thought I lost...weird.What does this mean?
Matt 18:17
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
I edited that post as it auto replied before I was done with it... the scripture showing it is now in the OPNot heard that one before....care to elaborate?
First post auto replied when my comp rebooted... then when I clicked to reproof Antelems, that post joined with the first post that I thought I lost...weird.
I don't personally try to interpret Scripture. I study it, and what the Church teaches about it. Those who were taught by the apostles know more than I do.
OK.
Care to answer this?
What does this mean?
Matt 18:17
If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
That scripture is in dealing with someone in the church who has sinned against you... first you approach them yourself, then if there is no repentance and reconciliation, you invite elders into the discussion and finally the whole church. The final end is if the offending party does not repent and ask God's forgivness, they are to be put out of the church... how much apostasy in our churches (mine included) would have been avoided in this principle was done. It was intended to keep the church pure from defilement.
In context, that's not what it says. He's telling the Pharisees to stop lording their position over others.
I don't see anything about beads. But praying the Lord's prayer is "meaningless"? Howso?
Jesus may have had siblings, but never does it say from the womb of Mary.
The word "until" in the original greek was "heôs hos" Strongs Greek #2193, meaning "as far as", "to which". Thus making it the appropriate word to use.It does not say he had sex with her. Until is an inadequate word, just as love and worship are.
It doesn't say "On the contrary", it says More blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it. He was magnifying her utterance.
When that was written, Latin wasn't being spoken there. Greek was.
What words of God has the Church changed?
Yes. THE Church. Jesus only started one Church.
When did it become OK to disagree with the Church?
In the New Testament, the people of God are called by the name “church.” The English word “church” can be used to describe both a local congregation or all Christians everywhere. In contemporary use, the word is also used to describe buildings and denominations. In these latter ways, the English word “church” does not exactly parallel the Greek word in the New Testament.3 The word from which “church” is translated, ekklasia, occurs 114 times in the New Testament.4 No other word translates into the English word “church.” But the Greek word, ekklasia was used in the New Testament period to describe more than the gatherings of Christians. The word was often used in Greek cities to refer to assemblies called to perform specific tasks. In Acts 7:38 and Hebrews 2:12, ekklasia is used to describe Old Testament assemblies. Luke uses ekklasia three times in Acts 19 to describe the riot which gathers in an amphitheater in Ephesus to deal with Paul.5 The remaining 109 uses of the word in the New Testament refer to a Christian assembly.
Taken together, the images used in the New Testament present a rich theology of the church. The church is the people of God, the new creation, the fellowship and, of course, the body of Christ. In this fellowship are those people who have accepted and entered into the reign of God. This reign is not entered into by nations, or even families, but by individuals (see Mark 3:31-35; cf. Matt. 10:37).
The 'church' is God's people not an organization. Christ is the Head and we are the body...
.Why are priests called Father even though they are not my biological father? Is it referring to a "spiritual father"? Because I have only one and a priest is not it.
Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
The Lord's prayer is fine. It thinking your prayers will be better heard by reciting it over and over again. That is the issue.
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
How is that possible? Did Joseph and Mary adopt or was there a different mother?
Maybe they took in some Syrian refugee's...
The word "until" in the original greek was "heôs hos" Strongs Greek #2193, meaning "as far as", "to which". Thus making it the appropriate word to use.
It also does not say she was a "perpetual virgin"?
Hey! I was a virgin too... until I wasn't...
The Church is an organization.
How could we consult the Church, as Jesus instructed, if it is not an organization?
How could the Church be the pillar and foundation of truth if it is not an organization that speaks truth?
The Church is an organization.
How could we listen to the Church, as Jesus instructed, if it is not an organization?
How could the Church be the pillar and foundation of truth if it is not an organization that speaks truth?
The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth, and is an Organism/Organization. The Church is a living entity which has always been Catholic and has provided countless people with hope and healing through the Gospel, passed on through Sacred Tradition. She founded the first hospitals and the first universities, and--as I understand it-- kept the West from descending into complete barbarism after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. It's unfortunate that people focus on what Catholics did despite Church teaching, and not on the good Catholics did because of Church teaching.
Which body of believers? There are thousands of protestant denominations and many don't agree with each other on central matters of the Christian faith. I don't think that's what Jesus meant when he promised that the Holy Spirit would lead the Church into all truth.
Jesus started a single Church. When did it become OK to disagree with this Church?
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